supervisors who insist on keeping the adversarial relationship between company and union going? (even when everything is calm and productive)???

If you went and opened up your own business and hired people to do a job in that business and every few years they came and said we want this and that or we will sit out in the parking lot and badmouth you till you give in. What relationship do you think you would have with your workers?

Unions, tax policy and environmental hysteria have destroyed manufacturing that Union trucking outfits depended on in this country because they only look at the small picture and not the reality of global competition.

The fact is that Union loyalty will be replaced by a need to survive and thus companies that use Union labor will be priced out of the market.

Unions can only survive in a global economy for the most part in the public sector where taxes and not competition determine their fate.

When Union membership voted for a redistribution of wealth they were naive to think that would not include their own wealth.

I worked in a union company, and I don't care for unions. But they server their purpose with companies like this, because if you don't have a union to represent you, your screwed.

Well I'm sorry but that is just Union propaganda or a myth, take your pick.

I was a Teamster back in the 80's working for Better Homes Delivery (Sears) and one day SLS locked us out and a non-union outfit was running trucks out of there within a week.

What did I get for my Union dues? $65 for a bag of grocery's and 5 days worth of picket signs before the Teamsters said bye bye.

The unions only care about large pockets of organized labor these days and the numbers are decreasing not increasing because they can't compete in a global market with their high labor costs.

The fact that the Unions as I speak are scurrying to the new Socialist government trying to get favorable laws passed (Card Check) and handouts to protect their failed ideology which shows how desperate they are to plug the dike at the expense of the taxpayer and propagate workplace intimidation.

As soon as the roll back in protectionism occurred in the 80's and 90's the doom of the unions was inevitable. Freedom of self determination does not include entitlements to employment despite the cost or viability of such employment. In short no one is entitled to anything in a free society unless you are willing to trade your freedom for a nice pair of shinny jack boots and present your hiney to a tyrannical dictator or Orwellian government.

If you look at countries with large Socialist labor forces they have systemic double digit unemployment and economies that are based on 50 to 75 percent public rather then private employment. Why? Because given a choice people want to spend less not more for their goods and services and will go elsewhere to get it.

You want to be screwed? Go live and pay taxes to broke states with large Socialist labor forces such as California, Michigan, New York.

The jobs we have lost, have gone to socialist/commie countries. I hear this talk about global competition and how unions price themselves out of work because socialist/commie countries undercut them. Then in the same breath call unions socialist/ commies. Here is the real deal. Companies have shipped work to other countries and want to live in America tax free. That my friend is Americas reality. The companies push this socialist #### like the KKK did. Just be happy your white, they'd say after not paying a fair wage. Just be happy your not a left wing looney as they put us in the poor house. Am I for Unions? You better believe it.

Unemployment numbers dont mean jack. Example recession started way before unemployment numbers went up. Why? Because jobs that replaced union jobs stink. Meaning they can't sustain country. So people are going underground or going bankrupt. Houses sit empty banks are up for sale. The work is plenty in countries you dont wanna live in. Unions didn't do this greed did. Ship the work outta here and try to live tax free is the motto. To get the country going again gonna need fair wages. Hey by the way doesn't matter what bill passes, if the companies are being fair, unions won't stand a chance. I think we know what that means.

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Companies have shipped work to other countries and want to live in America tax free.

They move to all kinds other countries which stay out of their business because it is cheaper to operate. American companies pay some of the highest taxes in the World

Corporations have what is called shareholders who invest in the company. If the company is not making the shareholders a return for their investment then they pull out and the company is screwed.

They are not in business to make sure you can afford everything you think you need or want. They are in business to make as much profit at the least expense and thus keep the investors happy.

Unions seem to think that they are entitled to dip their hands into the company purse anytime they feel like it and that the companies purpose for existing is to make sure they make the Union more money so the workers can pay dues to them so they can further their socialist ideology which is to turn private companies into public run entity's.

because people like you are willing to work for less ....alot less

Now...you might want to clarify that...do we work for a lot less, or do you work for alot more than you are worth?

I have yet to see any good argument here on how organized workers determine their actual wages, because it is nowhere near realistic numbers of any comparable job in the industry.

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"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept Communism outright. But we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and realize you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy that you will fall like over ripe fruit into our hands."
Former Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev

Meanwhile upper management takes home 4oo0 times more pay than the hourly workers.

Darn those college educated people who worked up through the ranks of hard work and perseverance! Man...I mean...just because you run a multi-national, huge corporation...you think you can make money at it. Now that takes gusto.
I dunno about you...but I personally would rather get paid a high wage for a non-anywhere-near upper management position and my single task that Im contractually allowed to do. And for that, Id like the company to take care of me as if I actually earned it!

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"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept Communism outright. But we will keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you finally wake up and realize you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you; we’ll so weaken your economy that you will fall like over ripe fruit into our hands."
Former Soviet Premier Nikita Kruschev

Going to college is hard work. LOL. One mans perseverance is better than another I guess. Why do management and college educated people always get jealous of hourly workers who make more money than they do? Why do they think they are entitled to make more? How do they know that the hourly worker doesn't have a higher IQ than they do and hasn't persevered longer and harder than they have and had more education than they have?