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Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA Teamsters, OOIDA, NAFTA news here. Are you a member of the Teamsters, OOIDA or another Organization involved with trucking or transportation? What are the good and bad sides to Unions? Discuss the finer points of Unions or Organizations here.

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Lies corperate america has instiled into the working class.

Ok im starting this thread to dispell some of the myths of a UNION, and the BULL that corperate america has instiled into the working class.

#1. this is my favorite, " they gave me a job!". lol. i dont know how many times ive heard this one. unless your sitting at home, doing nothing, receving a pay check, no one is giving you anything! (and if you are, i want your job, lol)
heres how it works, a company has a opening, they look for the best qualified person to fill the position, period. no one hired you just because they were good ppl, or took pitty on you, or anything else, they hired you because you were the best person they could find to fill the spot they had open!

#2. the company is taking all of the risks. BULL! as a worker, you are a private contractor, you are selling your ability to preform a certin task(s), be it driving a truck, loading and unloading trucks, ect...... as a worker, you have a limited time span that you can work, be it 30, 40 years. when you apply for a job anywhere you are taking a risk that the company that you are applying for will manage it right, be profitable, provide you with a decent wage, safe working condetions, ect..... it's a partnership, they dont want you to know it, but it is. you are investing you WORKING LIFE SPAN into that company.

#3. if you dont like it you can leave. this is true but, what about the years of service you have invested into this company? you cant go back and recoop the time, its gone, forever!

ill post more later as we go along here.
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Ok I'm starting this thread to dispel some of the myths of a UNION, and the BULL that corporate America has instilled into the working class.

#1. This is my favorite, " They gave me a job!". lol. I don't know how many times I've heard this one. Unless your sitting at home, doing nothing, receiving a pay check, no one is giving you anything! ( If you are, I want your job, lol) Heres how it works, a company has a opening, they look for the best qualified person to fill the position, period. No one hired you just because they were good people, or took pity on you, or anything else, they hired you because you were the best person they could find to fill the spot they had open!

#2. The company is taking all of the risks. BULL! As a worker, you are a private contractor. You are selling your ability to preform a certain task(s), be it driving a truck, loading and unloading trucks, ect... As a worker, you have a limited time span that you can work, be it 30, 40 years. When you apply for a job anywhere you are taking a risk that the company that you are applying to will manage it right, be profitable, provide you with a decent wage, safe working conditions, ect... It's a partnership, they don't want you to know it, but it is. You are investing you WORKING LIFE SPAN into that company.

#3. If you don't like it you can leave. This is true but, what about the years of service you have invested into this company? You can't go back and recoup the time, it's gone, forever!

I'll post more later as we go along here.
Go start a business then see if your perspective is still the same. Especially the nonsense you penned about risk.

Before you get bogged down in that task take a quick minute (Really it takes less than a minute) and download the spell checker. Doing so will help you have a touch more credibility than you are currently showing.

FYI...I took the liberty of cleaning up your writing in the quote.
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#2. the company is taking all of the risks. BULL! as a worker, you are a private contractor, you are selling your ability to preform a certin task(s), be it driving a truck, loading and unloading trucks, ect...... as a worker, you have a limited time span that you can work, be it 30, 40 years. when you apply for a job anywhere you are taking a risk that the company that you are applying for will manage it right, be profitable, provide you with a decent wage, safe working condetions, ect..... it's a partnership, they dont want you to know it, but it is. you are investing you WORKING LIFE SPAN into that company.
What risk does the worker take?
Does he invest wealth and capitol on the chance that his investment will pay off?
As a worker, it is NOT your gamble the company will turn out profitable, you didn't invest anything, except perhaps your time (for which you were paid).
The Company isn't obligated to provide you with a decent wage. Their only obligation is to provide a profit for their shareholders.

Just like any "investor", if your investment doesn't seem to be paying off, you are free to put your capitol elsewhere; i.e. find another job.
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Geezus....another lib to contend with.....I'd like to take this one on right now, but I actually work for a living (unlike 90% of the libs) and after going 600 miles today...I'm too tired to even debate another lib......maybe tomorrow.....
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Geezus....another lib to contend with.....I'd like to take this one on right now, but I actually work for a living (unlike 90% of the libs) and after going 600 miles today...I'm too tired to even debate another lib......maybe tomorrow.....
I know what you mean. I am home right now but have been spending time focusing on setting up my home-made desktop.
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If anyone cares to really understand corporations, several years ago a book titled, "TRYANNY OF THE BOTTOM LINE", came out. This book was written by Mr. Ralph Estes a business professor at American Unv. in Washington, DC. It will open your eyes to the world of business.

Employees become "shareholders" in a company by their time and efforts. But the sad part of the business world, they are only concerned with the "stockholders".

For 5 years, I was a CEO's "little boy", I drove his million dollars motor coach, I cooked for him, I ran errands for him, I did whatever the man told me to do. During these 5 years, I saw the inside of the business world and witnessed exactly what value a company actually puts on an employee.

Read 'TRYANNY OF THE BOTTOM LINE", you will get "born-again"!!!!
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A stockholder has invested money into a business,most businesses wouldnt survive without stockholders investments.So is it wrong for them to expect to make money on their investments?If corporations are so bad start working for yourself and see just how easy running a company is,I do it because Im a glutton for punishment.I want everyone who works for me to feel like a shareholder, it gives them a feel of company ownership,if they dont care they wont be working for me long.
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a liberal, lol,all right guys, think about this. it doesn't matter if you have a IQ of Albert Einstein, or more money then Donald trump, if you have a business of any size you need employees, these are the ppl that are making you money. just like stock holders that invest money into your business, they are investing there "working life span" into your business. yes they are getting paid for there "knowledge" or ability to preform a certain task, just like a share holder gets paid to invest money into your company. the employees are just as much a "partner" in your business as a share holder!

p.s. i have never said that corporations are bad, we need them in this world, and just like we need them, they need employees, its a partnership thing.
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i know its off topic but i gotta ask, why is it if you challenge someone's thought process you become a liberal? actually, I'm a moderate.
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If anyone cares to really understand corporations, several years ago a book titled, "TRYANNY OF THE BOTTOM LINE", came out. This book was written by Mr. Ralph Estes a business professor at American Unv. in Washington, DC. It will open your eyes to the world of business.

Employees become "shareholders" in a company by their time and efforts. But the sad part of the business world, they are only concerned with the "stockholders".

For 5 years, I was a CEO's "little boy", I drove his million dollars motor coach, I cooked for him, I ran errands for him, I did whatever the man told me to do. During these 5 years, I saw the inside of the business world and witnessed exactly what value a company actually puts on an employee.

Read 'TRYANNY OF THE BOTTOM LINE", you will get "born-again"!!!!
That's just one man...
What about another man who not only created wealth for himself but, inspired his employees to become rich.....Bill Gates...How many millionaires does MicroSoft have??????


Again...liberal inspired Class Warfare and Class Envy raises its ugly head....

Get over it people...if you're tired of living in a single-wide or living in an apartment, it's up to you to improve your lot in life. Not the government's, not your boss's and certainly, it's not the job of the taxpayers to give you your life.
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