Unionization will be truly effective when there is a broad movement among all of the large retailers (Wal Mart, Target, Home Depot, Lowe's, etc). Management and shareholders will have to be forced to the bargaining table...

I was in the carpenter's local. Got paid $7.02 an hour as a first year apprentise (minimum wage was $3.50). Sounds pretty good, right?

I'd work for a week or 2 and then get laid off. If you didnt go to those union meetings, they would have you removed off the job. I did the union bit for a year and a half. In that time, I only worked 4 WEEKS! Still had to pay dues...otherwise they would take you off the list for work. You know, working at temp companies is better than that union ####.

With working that little, why would you care if they took you off the list? According to you, there was no money to be made and very little work. This is a trucking forum. Right?

You are aware the owner of this forum is no longer a truck driver, right?

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I wanted to be a carpenter. I wanted to build houses. I didnt know union carpenters didnt actually build houses. If I did, I wouldnt have bothered.

Union driver? Havent figured out whether or not the Teamsters do more harm than good for trucking.

Why are you still talking about drivers?

It's totally different than the retail associates. You were already corrected once.

And this makes a difference? How? The last time I looked, it was still called "The Truckers Report". Truckers. Get it?

There is no such thing as "unions forced down your throat"m. Employees vote if they want to join a union. It is actually very democratic. Also a union in principle is a contract.

so when 51 workers vote for the union the other 49 are just screwed? yes, it sounds very much like democracy, but we don't live in a democracy now, do we?

But most of the time they are good to belong too. They put in job desciptions and duties for the workers so they know what they are doing, they put in arbitration requirements when it comes to firing people-arbitrator decides--looks at your length of service--usually sides with the worker, shops for real benefits for the workers, has a shop steward that you can go to when you have problems.

Here in NJ the supermarkets are all union while the Costcos, Sams Clubs, Targets, etc are not. Needless to say that I would rather work in a supermarket for the pay and benefits then the others I just mentioned.

Yes, you have to becareful when unionizing. There was a Raymour and Flanigan (big growing furniture chain here in the east) warehouse near Philly. They wanted a union and the company shut it down and moved it. But keep in mind that Raymour fires people left and right. So those people would have been lucky to have a job for one year.

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