3500 vs 4500 vs 5500

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by Bdog, Aug 19, 2016.

  1. flatbedcarrier

    flatbedcarrier Medium Load Member

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    Yeah it's because the 3500 has more hp.

    Our trailers are rated at 24,900 and the trailer only ways 7,550 lbs from the factory. We run 3500, 4500, and 5500 series trucks here but we will not load more than 16,000 lbs in freight weight on a 4500, or a 5500. And on our 3500's pulling the same trailers we will rarely load more than 15,000 lbs in freight weight? Why? Because the brakes, tires, and springs are not as big as what's on the 4500, and 5500.

    There are people out there who will haul mode weight with these trucks. We won't.

    Hauling within our self imposed weight limits for the last 12 years has proven to us that these trucks will last a long long time and substantially lower operating costs compared to the semis we ran for 20 years prior. Back when we switched from semi trucks to Dodge/Ram 3500 trucks we seen a lot of guys out there pulling gooseneck trailers that weighed as much as 10,000 to 13,000 lbs from the factory and they were hauling as much as 24,000 lbs in freight weight. Those are the guys you hear about who's trucks only lasted a year or two. They were wearing them out before they got their 5 yr loans paid off.

    These trucks are great if you don't over load them.

    Our trailers and the max weight we will put on them comes out to 23,550 lbs. you're wanting to use a 9,000 lbs trailer and load 24,000 lbs on it. That's 33,000. In my opinion you'd be asking to much of these trucks. I wouldn't do it.

    Those are our max weights, we don't look to max our trucks out here. Many of the loads that we move weigh from 4,000 to 8,000 lbs.

    If you can't reduce your load weight to within the ranges I'm talking about? A mid sized two axle Freightliner, Peterbilt, kenworth, or even a International may be better for you?

    Hope this helps.
     
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  3. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    @Bdog A question that may clear some things up for us, how much deck space do you need for this equipment?
     
  4. mowgli5555

    mowgli5555 Bobtail Member

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    Another thing to note is weight of the truck itself. A 2500-3500 usually steps in at around 7-8,000ish lbs cab and chassis.
    A 4500/5500/6500 truck will come in at around 11,500-12,500ish cab and chassis.

    Plus, it seems most class 4-6 trucks are detuned for longer engine life and class 2-3 trucks are tuned up a bit more for maybe less engine life.
     
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  5. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    The equipment itself will fit in 25' of deck space - If the haul vehicle isn't something I can use as a daily driver on the jobs then I need 50' of deck space to put my pickup on there also which is what I am doing now.

    I would love to get a 25+5 trailer (dovetail) and a truck that could haul it and still be practical to drive around daily but it seems my loads are just too big.

    I keep hearing though that the 4500/5500 can haul that much it just wears them out in a year or two of hotshotting. I might only pull it 10-15k miles a year and I don't mind trading the truck in every couple of year to stay in warranty and to get rid of it before I wear it out. I just want to be safe going down the road. Maybe what I am doing now is the best solution.
     
  6. Bdog

    Bdog Road Train Member

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    Thanks for your insight. I am currently hauling it with my Pete and a 53' step deck because I need to haul my pickup along to have something to drive when I am there. I have tools, diesel tank, etc on the pickup which is needed at the job.

    I only will be hauling the heavy load 10-15k miles a year and don't mind trading the truck in every year or two on a new one so I don't wear it out. I just want to be safe in hauling it.

    The 2017 F-450 just came out and they rate it to tow 32,500. Darn close to my needs. Since I only need a 25+5 trailer my trailer might not weigh 9,000lb which I assume you were quoting for a 40' typical hotshot rig. If I could get a 7-8k trailer and my 24k load I just might be within the F-450 rating.
     
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  7. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    @Bdog It seems like the trouble you are having is that the trailer is too long to get into some of the sites easily. How about something like this with a pintle hitch and a 28' deck....
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    And use that to pull something like this for the truck. Always put the pickup on the trailer so if the truck breaks down you can still get the pickup off the trailer to run for fuel, parts etc.
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  8. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    Or something like a Freightliner M2 106 with a gooseneck trailer. I am thinking you are going to step up from the 5500 and below to maybe a F650 or 750 or the freightliner.
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  9. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Can you set the tail end of the rollback deck down on the front of the trailer on a setup like that?

    I thought I've seen that done before...
     
  10. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    I don't see any reason you couldn't
     
  11. flatbedcarrier

    flatbedcarrier Medium Load Member

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    A new Ford, or a Ram whichever brand you choose will work fine for double duty. I use my truck for a daily driver, and so does many of the owner operators I work with. I think you're on the right track.
     
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