Another Log Question: bobtail on Off Duty Personal Convenience?

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  1. American-Trucker

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    Got another HOS question.

    Tomorrow I'll be MT in Greensboro, NC, 1.5 hours from my terminal which is right up the street from my house.

    Heres the Problem when I get to the receiver to drop my trailer, I'll have .5 - 1 hour left on my 11 and at least 2 left on my 14.......


    Since I'll be Bobtail and not dispatched on a load, can I bobtail back to the terminal on Off Duty Personal Convieance?

    Can you go over your 11 and or 14 while useing it for personal use?



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    I thought as long as it was ok with your company that you dont have to log it if it's personal use but i could be wrong
     
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    If you are OFF-DUTY and using your truck for personal conveyance, then the 11 & 14 do not apply. The only time they affect personal conveyance is if you have been put OOS. Then you cannot drive a CMV until the OOS order is lifted.

    As far as claiming personal conveyance when leaving the receiver, IMHO that could be a bit of a gray area. If your understanding (hint, hint) is that you will be returning to the receiver to pick up the trailer you dropped, then I would say it is no problem. Further, I would suggest that you are going home and not to the terminal (and I really don't care where you really go, but an enforcement officer might). If you are re-positioning for the next dispatch, then that could get you a violation.
     
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    Thats what i was thinking, since my terminal is as home as my truck can get, sounds like im good to go.

    I wont be going back to the receiver, just home till the next morning till i have hours and a load.


    Should I flag it as off duty?


    Like get to the receiver go to line 4 and write Drop Trailer/ Off Duty Personal Convieance?



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    After arriving at the receiver I would go to line 4 and show the time required for dropping the trailer, a post-trip inspection and the completion of any required paperwork, then go to line 1 (just the same as if you are already at your final destination). You could also move to a local truck stop and complete your run there before heading home.

    I never write what I was doing in the remarks section (it isn't required by the FMCSA), just the location (and task time if being flagged because it is less than 15 minutes). Company policy may dictate otherwise.
     
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    If your on elogs I don't think you canget away with that. Your company would have to change your logs and if you got stopped by the dot I believe you might get in trouble if over HOS or your 14
     
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    Not really a problem. If subject to either 395.15 or 395.16, and company policy allows it, then there is a procedure to indicate the CMV is being used as a personal conveyance. In some cases the EOBR could remain on line 1 if forced, or the driver can enter a note in remarks before driving OFF-DUTY, or the process can be as follows:
     
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    FMCSR 395.1(j). Listen up young man, this is as complicated as it gets.

    You CAN travel home off duty in 2 ways. First, P.C. But not past your hours limits. (11, 14 or 70).

    Second, you can go home if you're inside those limits and you have NO responsibilities to the Motor Carrier. You'll be on duty for this trip until you arrive home and complete a required 10 hour rest break. After your completed rest break, your trip reverts to off duty. And, "No responsibilties to the Motor Carrier changes if you own your own company, lease or are an employee.

    If you stop by Wal-Mart on the way home, no problem. If you buy anything related to your truck (like engine oil), or you stop by a truckstop and send in a fax or trip envelope, you're ON DUTY. And because you had responsibilities to the MC, you have to stay on duty.

    Now- here's my advice- do what you usually do and expect to be put out of service. Or not. Or maybe almost. But not quite. Don't show the friendly Trooper your Wal-Mart receipt for oil. Do drop to your knees and beg him for leniency. Prostrate yourself before the authority of the State and beg for mercy. Crying helps. Take off a sock and polish the toes of his boots while you're down there. Tell him that no one knows for certain what to do in your situation and you're a NooB. Ask him what he would do if he had to drive a truck for a living. DON'T ask him to take $100.00 and forget about it.

    If you have PeopleNet, you have to change to PC.

    Hope that helps. Or not. Well, it could if you didn't get confused. :smt066
     
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    :biggrin_2554:

    The joke forum is down the hall on the left.
     
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    You're correct- sorry, sarcasm happens when I don't get my coffee all day. :biggrin_2552: