Driving while showing On-Duty, Not Driving?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by ziggystyles, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. ziggystyles

    ziggystyles Road Train Member

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    Hi all,
    So Im a noob with Schneider...just got finished with training last week, waiting for my final tests and all. During the time training, it was a dedicated account home daily. In one town, we had three stops and the trainer wanted me (the driver) to go down to on-duty, not driving while we were in that town.
    Is this legal?I guess I never asked him why we did this for. I've been told that any time you are behind the wheel should be marked as driving.

    Second, I can't figure out a reason behind this. Normally it would be to save up hours I figure, but with Schneider, their policy is that you can not drive OR work after 70 hours...so even going down to on-duty would count against you.
     
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    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I believe multi stops in the same town can be logged on line 4.
     
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    capnhector Light Load Member

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    the reason for going to on-duty not driving is to get more hours to drive that day, provided that does not push it out past 14 hours onduty before your 11 hours are done.
     
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    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    I believe that is ONLY if there is less than a 15 minute drive between each stop.
     
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    jlkklj777 20 Year Truckload Veteran

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    The only time you can get away with showing on duty not driving while actually driving is if the stops are within the same city and the deliveries take less than 15 minutes as did the driving between the multiple stops.
    However your 14 hour work window is still in effect so I do not see any real benefit to using this strategy.
     
  6. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Well, you can work as long as you want. You just can't drive after so many hours have elapsed, 14 or 60/70.
     
  7. LogsRus

    LogsRus <strong>"Log it Legal"</strong>

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    I am going to tell you how I read the regulations and that is:

    If you are doing multiple drops in the same city then you should or should I say could do this: Lets say you work 8 hours total doing "local" work. Only 4 hours of that was driving and the other 4 was driving. Well you log 4 hours on duty not driving and then you log the 4 hours driving. This helps protect the fact you will not "DRIVE" passed the 14th hour. That's how I read the regulation. Now some believe the below, as I do not!


    If you are doing multiple drops in the same city then you can log it as all on line 4. I do not find this true and don't condone it unless you are a driver who is reporting to the same location on a daily basis's.
    I tried to find that question & answer and I can't right now for some reason. It is on the http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/rules_search_results.asp somewhere. Again they need to update the internet to make it c
    correct as in taking a 10 or 8 hour break. what I would do is replace anything that says a 10 :biggrin_25522:
     
  8. LogsRus

    LogsRus <strong>"Log it Legal"</strong>

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    Exactly: The DOT does not want ANY driver, driving passed 14 hours of being awake. Therfore when you are working 13 hours of local work (example only) If you spend 5 of that on line 4 time (loading, unloading fuel etc) this would be on-duty not driving and would be logged in one lump at the beggining of the day. Now you spend 8 of that driving you would log that last, now you should not be driving passed the 14th hour and that's how they catch you on the local work :(. What the best thing to do is log it as you do it, that way you have "proof" what you did that day and you are logging what you actually did. I say log 15 minutes for anytime you may have driven 6 niles down the road. THe company & DOt will not say anything if it's that good :0\)

    Good luck and I hope this made sense to you :0
     
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    25(2)+2 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Marking time as on duty not driving makes it possible to deliver in a city to extra stops after or before the 11 hours of driving.

    The 70 hour rule doesn't apply for local driving, until you are going to drive long distance, you keep track of local as on duty not driving,so technically you can work(short pickup and delivery like construction) longer than 70 hours.

    Lets say you work 12 hours a day for 13 days, that's 156 hours without a reset, it's legal until you need to log time driving, then you need the 34 hour reset. I have done that once or twice, but usually we didn't work two weeks straight. We would be working in excess of 70 hours and driving short cycles while working.


    Normally, when I was working around Chicago or Waterloo, IA I didn't log for trips within the same zip code as driving; I logged as on duty not driving, and since I wasn't unloading, I logged 15 minutes for each stop with the rest of the time spent waiting in the sleeper as sleeper (line 2). While delivering to John Deere one of the plants was actually in two different cities, same building, you had to log 15 minutes for that trip even though it was less than a mile according to my employer at the time.
     
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    on duty not driving. I haven't had any violation notices from the company. Unless they say something, that's how I'm logging it. It saves( it allows you more driving time) you driving time. You still have to watch your 11 and 14, and 70.