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Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Bumpy, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. G/MAN

    G/MAN Road Train Member

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    This industry has too many regulations. Lawyers have made a fortune designing these regulations. Lawyers go after trucks because we are an easy target with high insurance coverage. It usually has less to do with fault and more to do with the amount of coverage. They know that most of the time the insurance company will settle rather than fight a lawsuit. The last figures that I saw concerning accidents and big trucks stated that trucks were only at fault 24% of the time when they were involved with cars. That means that 76% of all accidents involving trucks were the fault of 4 wheelers. I would love for you or anyone who supports the forced installation of EOBR's would change those statistics.

    If you think this is the end all for regulations, this is only the beginning. They could easily push for camera's in the truck to check for fatigue. You see, this will never end as long as the industry goes along with it. They make these rules for "safety" without any proof that it will actually make the roads safer. When it doesn't work then they come up with something else to make the roads "safer." I suppose they need to justify their existance somehow. My suggestion is to "FOLLOW THE MONEY."
     
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    Fellow at CayCan told me that you could get an iPhone on a 3 year plan for free and just get the DATA package for it at about $12.00 a month.
     
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    Thanks for the info, Prairie Boy. I would expect that some of the U.S. carriers have a similar program.
     
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    'olhand Cantankerous Crusty

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    While I wholeheartedly agree--there are too many regulations and I have absolutely no use for LAWYERS--and they do run the insurance companies and more--and as I have stated emphatically many times B4--this is a regulated industry--BUT as transportaton goes--we are actually the LEAST regulated of the bunch--and yet have some of the strictest policies--
    An airline pilot has much more regulation--and talk about EOBR--they sure are watched--but where we are now required to take a 10 hour break--they are still on an 8--and that includes--transport time to and from airport--eat sleep shower time--now I do not know how many hours(or if)they are allowed in a defined "work week"--who do you think get's more rest--an OTR Driver or a commercial pilot?
    I bring this up--(as only one example--RR's are even sillier)because so many of you(and it is human to do so)seem to be looking for some type of imperical logic in all this--when of course there isn't any!
    So IMHO--stop beating yourselves up over all this--and spend the same energy--on finding the best way--in your individual situation--to maximize your earning potential under the system we are inflicted with--it has been my experience that most of the folks--that stay in this biz for any length of time are a pretty resourceful bunch--and although the gov't seems to be bent on making it more and more difficult to earn a living while maintaining any semblence of a personal life--IMHO--it still can be done--and each individual needs to look for their own creative solutions..
    Just my $.02
     
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    I used to think that airline pilots were more regulated than this business, but I am no longer certain. Sometimes it seems that we can't even go to the bathroom without breaking some regulation. I believe that pilots are allowed 8 hours of actual flying time without having to take a break. But, they don't have to log their mileage every time they cross a state line. :biggrin_25515:
     
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    The answer is quite simple. Paper logs are by everyone's admission infinetly flexible without exhaustive examination of supporting documents. Many decades ago GPS, Computer, and interface technology made EOBR's unsuitable. Now with advancing technology much like CSA the ability to remove major flaws in RODS that allow rampant violation can be removed.

    You taxes are but a piece of the price you pay. And yes you did and do ask permission. No one forced your authority on you. In fact if you do not file certain documents your permission to operate on public highways is revoked. The exact same way it can be revoked for failing a compliance review.


    EOBR's are a modernizing of RODS to make assessing compliance much simpler, and legitimate. You know people cook the books just as well as I do. It may not be you, I know it is not me, however the people charged with enforcing the regulations on this industry know it as well. They also know a major portion of that will end when EOBR's replace paper and pen.
     
  7. Caterpillar Cowboy

    Caterpillar Cowboy Medium Load Member

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    How will these E Logs affect us say in the local Construction Industry? I heard some rumor this was a 14,000 dollar computer?
     
  8. G/MAN

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    I didn't ask for permission when I paid for my authority. I also didn't ask for permission when I drove on public highways. I paid my tag tax, fuel tax and other taxes that is included in a gallon of fuel. I have paid for the right to drive on public highways. After all, I helped pay for them. When I pay for something I don't need to get permission. I paid for my authority, insurance, etc. I never asked permission concerning any of them. I have paid for the right to haul freight and to drive on the highway.
     
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    Other than possibly delaying deliveries, it should have little impact. It only affects those who drive otr who are required to use logs. It doesn't affect those who are paid by the hour. They are not saying anything about the cost, but I have heard rumors of from $1,200-3,600 per truck.
     
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    You filed for your authority yes? You asked the government to register you as a common carrier yes?

    Yeah you pay road taxes. So does every vehicle on the road. You still must request to be registered and authorized yearly to be out here, and that permission is conditional on your following certain laws. EOBR's are easier to enforce some of those laws.

    You do not have to have one. You can choose to not register your vehicle as a common carrier( read quit asking permission to operate) place not for hire on the doors and tootle all over the super slab to your hearts content. But the second you ask (by filing for authority) to operate a business out here, you agree to abide the laws and decisions made concerning this industry. That is why your permission is conditional.

    All they are doing is changing the method for ensuring compliance to maintain that permission. It will be the cost of operating your business on a public road same as annual's, physical's, Fire extinguisher's, flares, triangles, log books(for now).......