How do I hook this antenna up?

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by DenaliDad, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    Do the two cables mean anything? Are they interchangeable or must I somehow use both? The truck only has an antenna on the left mirror.

    Life used to be so simple...
     
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  3. TAfool

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    I think your multiplexer was taken out.

    What is the truck model number, year, does it have cab mounted exhaust and are there two antenna mounts or just the one.

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  4. rabbiporkchop

    rabbiporkchop Road Train Member

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    http://www.rightchannelradios.com/products/cb-am-fm-antenna-splitter

    $32.00

     
  5. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    I must have a very unusual setup - thanks, Peterbilt or my company (whoever put the stock antenna in) - because I've seen all kinds of BNC conversion kits and all kinds of PL 259 attachments, but nothing for BNC - PL 259.

    And, of course, now that I'm looking for one, I can't come close to a CB shop. While I wasn't looking, they were everywhere. Perhaps my company will swap my truck soon for something else, something with a normal CB hookup.
     
  6. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    2014 Pete 386 and there's only one mirror-mounted antenna, but I'm not sure the one on the right side hasn't just been taken out. I can't quite get high enough to look down into the hole that's there on top of the mirror.
     
  7. Roberts450

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    It will have 2 unless someone pulled the wire complete out. There should be 2 gray wires going to each mirror from the cab. The big one will be the mirrow power and heat and the smaller one is the CB coax. They went to the smaller BNC connection to be able to run thru the mirror post easier. Best place to find one would be peterbilt/kenworth or the interwebz. You can get a single BNC box like we shared pics of or a dual if you want to fix and hook up the other mirror antena, or just a BNC to PL 259 if you dont need an am/fm antenna. Just be sure to grab the correct coax going to the correct mirror before pluging it into the radio.
     
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  8. Roberts450

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    Oh and I have a 13 386 so thats how I figured it all out. I actually ran seperate wires for the 2 radios so I could totally seperate everything cause everything sounded like poop with the multiplexer.
     
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  9. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    My guess is the previous driver removed the antenna and replaced it with one of his own but didn't return it when he left the truck - there are two wires going into the bottom of the mirror, so I bet there is a second antenna connection down inside. He might also have either removed or taken whatever connection box there was up above the headliner.

    I'm not going to spend a lot of money on it because at some point in the near future, the company will replace this one and put it into the lease fleet, but I will keep looking for something better than the hand-held CB I now have. All I have to do is figure out which of the two cables goes to the antenna on the left mirror...

    I'm sure learning a lot more about CB parts and accessories just by carefully looking at all those small shiny objects in their colorful plastic-and-paper containers on the walls!
     
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  10. Evvy Thomas

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    Whether you get another truck or not, you'll still want to avoid running a cb antenna through any kind of factory installed multiplexor or junction box as it will seriously degrade the performance of your radio. In fact you should avoid using the factory mirror mounts as well and go with a seperate coax, mount and antenna of your own choosing.

    There's an article about it on the firestik site, telling about how they looked into truck manufactures to find out how internal cb antenna wiring was run and what kind of hardware was used. It's not good. See below.

    http://www.firestik.com/CatalogFrame.htm
     
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  11. Evvy Thomas

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    Link no work. . Here's what it says:

    FACTORY PRE-WIRED 18-WHEELERS
    Compliments of Firestik® Antenna Company Technical Support Team
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    Copyright © 1999 Firestik® Antenna Company

    INTRODUCTION:During the last year or two, several 18-wheeler truck manufactures started pre-wiring their tractors with coax cable for CB radio antennas. Soon thereafter, Firestik started receiving poor reception complaints from drivers. Their SWR readings were not the best, but still under 2.0:1. In many cases, the radio and antenna(s) came off of previously owned vehicles where they performed as expected. Knowing that, we knew we had to look elsewhere for the problem. Since we didn't know that the manufactures were pre-wiring the vehicles, we started looking for changes in the way the vehicle was constructed (e.g. the amount of composite materials used during manufacturing). Eventually, after eliminating the obvious, we came to the coax and soon thereafter became aware of the factory pre-wiring.

    HISTORY:As near as we can tell, one or more of the companies redesigned their side view mirrors and decided to make the CB antenna mount an integral part of the mirror assembly. To make the installation easier in the production setting it must have made sense to them to have the mirror assembly pre-wired with the coax. Instead of using 18 feet of good quality coax and routing it from the mirror to the radio, they choose to go modular. To do that, they couldn't use PL-259 connectors due to their relatively large diameter. Instead, they used Motorola pin-plugs. Making choices based upon cost and production efficiency versus choices based upon quality and performance has created a communications disaster. It makes no sense. First of all, the cost between basic 70% shielded mil-spec cable and hi-quality 95% shielded coax is less than three cents per foot. Secondly, instead of sticking to what has been a proven trouble free coax length (18-feet) they used just enough to get from the antenna bracket to the radio. Thirdly, Motorola pin-plug connectors were made for AM/FM radio antennas, not for 2-way radio communications. And finally, additional connectors in the line adds resistance to the system and creates additional points for corrosion, shorts and broken wires. Let' summarize the pre-wired cable program:



    1. Cheap quality coax.
    2. The wrong length of coax.
    3. The wrong type of connectors.
    4. Seven connections instead of three.


    It is no wonder that poor communications are the results.

    FLAWED APPROACH:

    Mechanical and production engineers do not understand the critical points of communications. In this case, it is obvious that little or no thought was given to the technical aspects of CB communications. The truck manufacturers totally failed to understand how the over-the-road trucker uses and depends on his radio. If they had, they would have made sure that the energy delivery line (coax) from the radio to the antenna was as perfect as the fuel line from the pump to the injector. Today's big rig drivers push their radio equipment requirements to the edge. They use power microphones, modulation kits, wideband radios and power amplification. From what we've seen of the pre-wired trucks … they don't even work very well with a basic CB radio. It is no wonder that they fail even worse when challenged with "enhanced performance" products.

    A communications engineer would never use connectors that were not suited for 2-way radio communications. And, they would avoid making in-line connections strictly for the convenience of production. Insofar as coax is concerned, to sacrifice any quality for the sake of cost is a very poor decision. Furthermore, it has been shown time and time again that eighteen feet of coax fixes coax resonance problems created by mismatches between the antenna and available counterpoise. Every practical rule of coaxial lead lines are being broken or abused by the pre-wiring truck manufacturers.

    SOLUTION:

    The only way to fix the problem is to rewire the vehicle with better coax. At a minimum, you should use stranded center conductor coax with a minimum of 95% shielding. If you use cheap coax … you'll get cheap performance. Single antenna installations should use either 18 feet of RG-58A/U (for installs using up to 750 watts of power) or 18 feet of mini RG-8U (commonly referred to as RG-8X) if power exceeds 750 watts. Dual antenna set-ups should use 18-foot leads of RG-59A/U going to each antenna. Any additional components inserted in the coaxial line between the radio and antenna (SWR meters, amplifiers) should be connected with either RG-58A/U or RG-8X regardless of whether you are running single or dual antennas. In our experience we have found that jumpers between the radio and any other in-line equipment should be as short as possible.

    It would have been nice if the truck manufactures used good coax with the proper connectors. But, they didn't! In our opinion, it would have been better for them not to pre-wire the trucks than it was to do it so poorly. Most drivers assumed that there was something wrong with their antennas and started spending money trying to fix the problem with new antennas. All along it was the coax.

    From what we have heard, it is a real pain getting to the coax in the new trucks. Across the country radio shop installers are secretly thanking the truck manufacturers because they are getting all kinds of re-wiring work and those of us who have quality coax have seen an upsurge in the demand for co-phase harnesses. If you don't have the time and/or desire to change the coax yourself, you will need to find a radio shop to do it for you. Then after you've spent the time or paid the bill, write to the manufacturer and tell them to quit using garbage coax in their trucks. The additional cost the manufacturer would need to add to the price of the truck for good coax and connectors would be far less than what it is going to cost you to re-do it.

    Several times a year we get tech calls from installers who place dual antennas on their vehicle and run RG-58 or RG-8X from each antenna to a T-connector at the back of their radio only to find that the system "doesn't get out". You should not use 50 ohm coax on a ground plane dependent dual antenna installation ... it MUST be 72 ohm RG-59 type coax. These flawed installs can be misleading because SWR tests can show exceptionally low SWR, making the installer think that all is well. However, the impedence of the antenna system does not match the requirements of the radio and therefore, the output power of the radio is greatly reduced. In several tests, we found that a 4 watt radio would only generate 1.75 watts of output power which is the equivalent of having an SWR reading that exceeds 6.0:1.
     
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