RV/5th wheel delivery

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by tomhorn, Aug 10, 2007.

  1. latergator

    latergator Bobtail Member

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    I agree with you Mr. Brickman. I used the 7000lb figure because that is the number he had previously posted in his calculations. Maybe he has a really tricked out lightweight F-350...I dunno? My Dodge diesel dually 4-door 4x4 with me (220lbs), 35 gals fuel, oil (and NOTHING else) weighs just under 8000lbs. Add a bedliner, gooseneck/fifth wheel setup, etc, etc, and, like you said, your going to be in the 8500lb range.
     
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  3. tomhorn

    tomhorn Light Load Member

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    Yes, these uys are right. No matter what the actual weight, the GVWR on a 350/3500 series will be in the 11K-13K range. The 250/2500 series will come in at between 7K and 9K, but realistically you can only pull about 12K with that, maybe 14K, but you don't get the safety and stability of duallies.

    Here's a scenario I've worked out that might barely work. The dodge Ram 3500 extended w/ duallies is GVWR 10,800. I've found a 51' 3 car ramp with dual 7K axles and GVWR of 14K, that is a total of 24,800 combined GVWR. The empty weight of the trailer is just under 4K, leaving 10K for loading. I know some people in the golf cart business and they are about 12' long and weight about 1400lbs. Load 4 of these on there and that's another 5,600lbs. that does not over gross the trailer. Also 3 small or mid-sized cars would not overgross the trailer. It would be clse, but it could be done.

    At this point this is mostly just theoetical, because I'm getting my CDL if I can clear the medical issues. I should be able to, but it will be a pain. I could go with the above and just haul the golf carts, small cars and empty boat trailers on an open ramp, but I also want to have an enclosed stacker, because I have an in with an exotic dealer and he sells far and wide and also brings in cars for service from a pretty wide area, since one of his lines only has 18 dealers in the US and the other two don't have many more. I also know two other dealers who deal in a lot of exotics, from whom I could likely get business if I have an enclosed trailer. So I think I'll get the CDL. I am leaning toward a Ford F350 Crew cab dually deisel and a 21K triple axle 53' Big Tex 3 car ramp and a 40' 5th wheel 3 car stacker. The truck is GVWR 13K, the ramp is 21K and the stacker is about 32K all GVWR, so I'll be running a GVWR of 34K or 45K ost of the time.
     
  4. latergator

    latergator Bobtail Member

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    Hey tomhorn....I looked into hotshot hauling with my dually not too long ago and came to the same conclusion regarding the CDL. FWIW, obtaining a Class A CDL permit can easily be done in one day with a little study of the handbook. The best part is you can complete the skills portion (pre-trip, vehicle control, and on-road driving) of the Class A CDL testing using a dually and an RV (for example). You'll wind up with a Class A CDL with an air brake restriction for very little money! I wish you the best of luck with whatever you decide to do.:biggrin_25519:
     
  5. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    Two things.

    Get an F-450 instead of a 350, you won't be sorry. Can handle more weight safely.

    Get a car hauler with two axles and dual tires instead of three single wheel axles. The tire wear on triple axle trailers is horrible because of all the tire scrub when turning. Six single tires are also not as stable as four sets of duals, especially in cross winds or uneven roads.

    Check out the Big Tex 20-AC hauler. It's a real good trailer.
     
  6. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    I think you'll find that 3 compacts will still be under 26K but if you load two SUVs like a chevy blazer of Ford Explorer you could find yourself over weight.


    Just my opinion that is far too much weight for a 1 ton pickup. I did car hauling for 6 months with a pickup and trailer. Most I ever did was 32K. That is unstable and serious not fun for any distance.




    For that kind of weight he is projecting (up to 45K) a guy needs a KW t3, or a FLD60 or 70. A Ford F650 super cruzer would be nice too.

    The stability of a pickup and trailer hauling that kind of weight and a small commercial tractor cannot be compared in the least. After having been there and done that there is no way I would attempt his set up without a lot heavier truck. Pickups were not made for that kind of weight for any length of time. Sure it can be done, but you'll almost be able to see your truck wear out in front of your eyes.
     
  7. Mr Nasty

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    Here in northern In. the heart of rv manufacturing car lots are full of 3 year old duallies with 300,000 miles+ they can't give away. In fact most local banks won't finance a duallie unless it's for personal use. It' not an economy friendly job either. You will learn to sleep in your cab as there is no money for motels I wouldn't recomend it to anybody. I have many freinds who lost everything including thier wifes and children trying this game.
     
  8. red_eye

    red_eye Medium Load Member

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    I use to work for a transport compnay.. we moved new semi's ..new RV's.. garbage trucks.. Ryder trucks.. meat wagons.. military ...you name it.. we moved it.. we even moved double decker buses a few times. Pay was low..if you wasnt a chase driver.. I towed my own car behind what ever I was moving.. so I got paid for all miles.. but still sucked.. I still say.. find a person who will let you drive for them.. so you can see how it pays..
     
  9. Old Man

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    Now to muddy up the water a little. Most oversize escorts get $1.35 to $1.45 a mile plus $60 a night out. You can rig up a car for $500, plus get a million dollar liability policy. Get a state certification like Virgina and be in business for $1500 - $2000 plus a car, you don't need a $50,000 pick up. There are brokers for pilot cars.
     
  10. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I have talked to some that were only getting .50 per mile. Never heard of brokers for them.
     
  11. jacksd3

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    Great thread but one thing that hasn't been discussed is the GCWR of the F-350/3500. Legally you can't exceed the GCWR listed on the door jamb. So, even if you are under 26k lbs you could still be pulled over and ticketed because 1 ton's are not rated for anywhere near 26k lbs. This is another good argument for the F-450-650.
     
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