Soon all new California cdl applicants must go to school.

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  1. Big Don

    Big Don "Old Fart"

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    Or in other words, no mayonnaise in Ireland. I mean, no man is an island. . .:confused:
     
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  3. White Dog

    White Dog Road Train Member

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    It gets old, that people with problems, think it should be everybody elses problem that they have a problem.
    I don't know the guy you speak of---but I DO know, that testing is a requirement to get into this line of work...and regardless of the reason you can't pass a test; you FAIL.
    He needs to overcome his down-fall, or move on. I CAN'T HELP HIM BY FEELING SORRY FOR HIM.
     
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  4. tsavory

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    Never asked you for any help or to feel sorry for anyone. Just understanding that there some instances that one size does not fit all. It has nothing to do with getting into this line of work.
    And not even saying others with the situation should not have to pass just that it make take extra tries to "OVERCOME ONES DOWN-FALL"

    I have never said or implied that anyone should not overcome the obstacle it front of what they are after (including obtaining a CDL) just that they should be allowed more than 2 chances.
     
  5. double yellow

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    Know plenty of farm boys who walk in, take the written & skills tests administered by an indifferent DMV employee, pass, and work safely for years without ever setting foot in a school.

    The only real problem is "testers" who don't actually test -- particularly cdl mills certified to test their own students.
     
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  6. STexan

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    Bull crap, if they can't get it in 2 tries, they need to flunk out. They obviously are trying to master something they are not pre-disposed to do, let alone do well.

    Yes, it is a dog-eat-dog world we live in, in spite of massive attempts to have the government coddle every failure as a "victim". We are living in a world where we fail upward today and that has led us to this miserable state of affairs much of the globe deals with today. (Trucking in the context of this forum and discussion) It's time it stopped so we can get back to the natural order of things where the best succeed and the failures fail and move on to other fields more suited to them. Everybody will be better off for it.

    Rant over.
     
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  7. White Dog

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    Let me ask you this...and I want you to be completely honest with (if not me) yourself: If you didn't personally know someone that "locks up", would you still feel the same way?
    I assume you drive around this country...you HAVE to see the caliber of morons coming into this industry in droves? Something HAS to be done about it, or there are gonna be HUGE consequences in the form of really high insurance rates from all the binging and banging going on...and most importantly injuries and death.

    They have already put automatic transmissions in trucks so people don't even have to learn to shift. They have already put eLogs in trucks so people don't even have to learn to run a logbook. They have already put GPS units in trucks so people don't even have to learn to read a map and/or navigate. They have put cameras and satellite computers in trucks so they can monitor the movements. And now they're talking about putting 18 year olds in these 75 foot long, 13 foot 6 inch high, 8 1/2 foot wide, 80,000 pound monsters?!?

    You know what that leaves for this new generation? Steering...and web surfing on their cell phone!

    Nope....2 tries is plenty. Everyone can have a bad day...but you better do something about that, because you have one more shot at it.
     
  8. Big Don

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    I've known an awful lot of folks who didn't succeed at something the first time they tried it. And maybe even several times afterwards.
    But these folks I'm thinking of are not "quitters." They kept on trying until they finally succeeded. And you know what? Every one of them turned out to be a dam good driver.
    It may not be the "only real problem," but it sure ranks up there pretty high. You just cannot have idiots who are the trainers and testers, and yet that seems to be what the majority are, with these mega fleets.
     
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    Ravinderbal Singh of Union City, has said he had about three months of trucking experience. Hmmmmm, he probably needed a interpreter to convey that sentence..
     
  10. tsavory

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    As a teen I played video games and did not succeed at all levels on the first or second try sometimes it took several tries to finally beat a level but on most after getting it I could zip though with not much of a problem. Now I understand a video game is NOT serious but the concept in my experience is the same keep trying till to make it.
    As a kid skiing was what I spent my winters messed up plenty or with riding horses fell off more than once but never gave up or let something beat me. It's just part of the way I was raised.

    'Tis a lesson you should heed:
    Try, try, try again.
    If at first you don't succeed,
    Try, try, try again.
    Thomas H. Palmer

    @White Dog I don't know you and can see that on this we just don't see eye to eye. I respect your opinion even if I disagree and thanks for your discussion.

    Edit: I just noticed that I completely jumped your question so will add this. I truly believe I would feel the same with or without knowing someone personally. For the fact that even before and still blame 90% of the bad drivers on 2 things.
    schools/drivers ed just teaching kids to memorize the test and not getting them to understand why practicing what's in the manuals is so important.

    Society's lack of discipline and allowing form a young age kids to have the ME attitude. Which leads to more and more of this I have to be first because I am more important.

    Guess I should add a third social media and people "NEEDING" to see what someone else said.

    I am sure a lot of folks disagree its just the way I see it.

    DY
    Those guys where taught by their parents/grandparents. Something about farm boys/girls they just seem to have and use common sense and that's why the succeed in these areas.
     
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  11. bigguns

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    I can see that I need to try to absorb all this when I'm not so tired. There are some good points here as to why we are where we are today. In part IMO: the me me me attitude that today so many people have, the dummies are no longer allowed to weed themselves allowing society to improve upon itself and move forward, everybody gets a prize and not just those who came in at the top (screw off and receive the same reward as those who busted their hump to succeed). Socialism combined with apathy is dragging all of us into a very deep hole.
     
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