what costs are involved in using class-8 for recreational use ONLY

Discussion in 'Trucker Taxes and Truck Financing' started by georgiacatweasle, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. georgiacatweasle

    georgiacatweasle Bobtail Member

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    Hey guys, I'm looking at getting a 2005'ish Kenworth or other Class-8 in order to tow a recreational vehicle. Absolutely ZERO NADA commercial use for the truck.
    What would I be looking at for tag registration / road tax etc ?
    It'll be based in Georgia.

    I'm trying to balance up all the options of getting a CDL for the LBS vs mid size truck (wouldn't have as much longevity on the engine)

    Thanks for any input.
     
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  3. garyatk

    garyatk Light Load Member

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    I can tell you that in my state (Michigan) a class 8 registration is based on GVW. A Motorhome fee is much lower, based on value like cars.
     
  4. Hardlyevr

    Hardlyevr Road Train Member

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    One of the great injustices in my mind is that if the vehicle is titled as an RV, you don't need a CDL! Take the 5th wheel off a Kenworth and put on a camper and it is now OK for anybody to drive.
     
  5. georgiacatweasle

    georgiacatweasle Bobtail Member

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    Yep, I agree Hardlyevr. Any one driving something nearly as big as a tractor trailer should be required to get a CDL. The driving characteristics are totally different than a station wagon, specially if you are driving a vehicle with a pivot point. The biggest thing I've driven (other than a 73 Cadi) is a 18,000lb International box truck. Braking is very different and even maybe only 26 feet, you need to be very aware of the back end when turning. I grew up in the UK, the regular driving test is significantly more difficult than the US. We have to reverse around bends in the road keeping no more than 18 inches from the curb, hill starts (without rolling) on a 20-30% grade. This will a stick, not auto. Anyways, going off topic some, main point is most non-professional drivers should need the extra training, maybe 10-15% of non-pro drivers have enough driving skills to do a good job of driving something that big.
     
  6. turnanburn

    turnanburn Medium Load Member

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    If you drive a tractor pulling an RV and don't have a CDL (which is legal) at least be prepared to have LEO s not agree with you. A freind owns a driving school (CDL and bus). He chopped of one axle on a FL classic, pimped it out with a billion lights and goes off to Florida pulling a giant 5th wheel RV. He has been hassled regarding the rig's status as well as questioned if he is "properly" licensed with a CDL.

    I couldn't agree more that many people don't belong behind the wheel screaming down the road in a mega RV with car swaying back and forth on a tow bar.
     
  7. Emulsified

    Emulsified Road Train Member

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    You can have a commercial (class 8 tractor reclassified as a private vehicle and use it to pull an RV such as a 5th Wheel.
    In most states, the classification needing a different license is based on total GVWR of the vehicle and/or towed device.
    There are certain requirements to make that tractor a private vehicle and each state differs.
    In California, for instance (and there are other states and growing), you can obtain a class B or A Non Commerical license. It is not as difficult to obtain, but it's harder than a class C.
    If your converted tractor has air brakes, you must get an air brake endorsement.
    Some states (North Carolina comes to mind) is checking incoming RV's that are obviously over 25,999# and if the license of the driver does not fit, no matter what state he's licensed from, will require you to park the vehicle. (there's also a nasty ticket that accompanies it).
    I know that for a fact, since I have been one of the drivers that hires out to move the vehicle from the weigh station it's impounded (in my case, on I-95 just above the S. Carolina line) to a nearby RV park. (The KOA just north of there).
    Yes, drivers are shocked and angry, but more and more states are requiring the proper license for the weight of the vehicle.
    They're just non commercial licenses.
     
    RollingRecaps Thanks this.
  8. georgiacatweasle

    georgiacatweasle Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the info Emulsified.
    I took a look about a year ago and it seemed like some states like Georgia allowed RV's to be driven without a CDL, but obvously when you wonder out of Georgia into a CDL requiring state, you end up being upto your neck in DOT-COPS.

    I want to end up with a class-8 one way or the other for towing a camper, this assuming I'm not having to pay massive amounts of cash for tax / registration etc for a commercial truck when it's not going to be used commercially. I guess hard to prove with DOT unless I figure out how to get that get-out-of-jail-free card and register it as an RV hauler, like you mentioned. A visit to my local DMV may be needed and talk with someone with a brain.

    The other option I have toyed with is a class-6 which is non-CDL, but finding a crew cab Kenworth T300 for eg is hard (class-6 i'd want a crew cab), so maybe would get an International or Chevy Kodiak. But my main requirement for a class-8 is the fact I can buy now while I have the money and keep the truck for 20-30 years of light highway driving as we all know, class-8's can do the miles.
     
  9. georgiacatweasle

    georgiacatweasle Bobtail Member

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    So, if I went out right now and bought a Kenworth T600 for lets say $30,000. I'm assuming fair to decent condition with 150,000-250,000 miles. what sticker shock will I have when I visit the DMV to pay the registration and yearly road tax etc ?
     
  10. Emulsified

    Emulsified Road Train Member

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    The sticker shock will be when you price a T600 with only 250,000 miles.
    However, each state is different for license costs. I licensed a class 8 volvo about 5 years ago, after converting it to a private vehicle. Oregon charged me $60 for my plates.
    I had to install an inverter to provide 120VAC, and a refrigerator to prove it was not a commercial vehicle anymore.
    I pulled a 42' 5th wheel RV trailer.
     
  11. georgiacatweasle

    georgiacatweasle Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the info, hopefully Georgia will be a cheap :)
    Actually I was surprised by how cheap the T600's were when I looked, $35,000 will get you a pretty clean truck, exterior A+, interior B+.
    How did you like the Volvo ? I hear they drive extremely well and are the trucks all the pro's like to get.
     
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