You probably had that kid that got beat up his whole life than summer came and after summer, we returned to a new grade, in high school. Oh look, its johnny,,,geek.. Than lunch time comes and OH LOOK! It's Johnny beating the crap out of,,,no way dude! Always pay attention to the guy that gets his butt kicked a lot....they come back tough as nails.
Trucker Shot at Loves
Discussion in 'Truckers News' started by CondoCruiser, Jan 16, 2014.
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I caught a burglar in my home this fall. I chased him, but stopped short of a violent confrontation because I was able to get his plate. Turns out that didn't help, and I can't stop wondering how many other people have been robbed by this guy or even injured during the process. Had I stopped him in the driveway with force, his particular trail of victims would have come to an end. This guy may have assaulted or even killed people since he escaped me - because I tried the non violent way.TheDoghouse and x#1 Thank this. -
Of course, that was up in Canada, and many years ago. Now boys can't do that for fear of guns, knives, retaliation etc.
We fought way too much, but I kinda feel a certain amount is good for a young boy. That lack of fear translates into a lot of other things as you grow up. -
Let me start off by saying I don't like to give any firm judgements in this case without having the ability to examine the store video, witnesses, and all other evidence.
As a former LEO myself, I agree with tow614 on most everything he said, but I also do agree with bergy's defensive view and I know by personal experience of the possibility that an enraged/deranged person can also reach a point where he can get hellbent on going for your the officer's/guard's weapon, to be used against them and anyone else in the area that the enraged person deems "shoot-worthy".
This possibility is thankfully rare (tho it certainly does exist), but it is far more common for young, under-trained, and low paid armed security guards to pull their weapons wrongly/prematurely and wrongly rely totally on the weapon, instead of their "hand to hand combat" defensive abilities on an unarmed perpetrator.
It's impossible to say if the deceased was simply a little overboard in his display of anger or if he was truly deranged to the point of actually being a danger to the lives of the guard and others.
It's also nearly impossible to tell if a suspect will stop at a nose-to-nose shouting match,, or a genuine asswhoopin,, or take it to the extreme and actually go for your weapon to kill you. However, as a LEO or guard, you cannot assume the worst intent and fire your weapon based just on this "near-future" possibility. Even if you can whoop >95% of the ones you confront, there will always be a few % that can lay a good hurt on you, no matter what training you have.
The witnesses and store video will help greatly to judge the guards reaction, but when confronted by an unarmed person, it's going to be very hard to prove that fatal force was necessary. They train armed guards "how to shoot", but the far more important criterias of WHEN to shoot/not shoot, is often never trained sufficiently. In this case, the odds are much higher that the guard wrongly pulled his weapon and wrongly fired.
On the subject of someone deranged going for your weapon:
As a LEO many years ago, and being physically fit and very well trained, I once had the dogfight of my life over my own weapon, with an ex-con truly the size of a NFL linebacker, who was hellbent on gaining possession of my sidearm and very intent on killing me, while we rolled in the dirt/mud/&much blood for a good 15 mins, while dispatch wrongly sent my only backup to a wrong address 1/2 mile away. This all started as a dispatched suspicious person call and led to me issuing a traffic ticket & misdemeanor summons, just prior to him charging me from about 4' away. I still have the scars on my right thumb & web from the hammer of the revolver where I held as much force as I possibly could on it, to prevent the gun from firing. The offender twisted the belt/holster and muzzle into my stomach/chest area, under my vest, and yanked hard on the trigger too many times to count. The only thing I could do was keep my right hand on the weapon while throwing repeated full force left elbows into his face and body. If I had relaxed/rested just once I would not be here to write this.
So it can happen.Infosaur, NavigatorWife, tow614 and 2 others Thank this. -
Kw - that is one heck of a story. Glad you are around to tell it.
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It was also the longest 15 mins of my life, it truly felt like hours.
I still remember his name as well as my own. Willie Green.bergy and NavigatorWife Thank this. -
It was stated that he was the owner/operator of the truck.
On the video the police officer said that there were statements by witnesses who said the man charged the security guard after acting erratically. I am sure they are going over the video with a fine tooth comb.
One of the articles said the guard had been at another security company, not a lot of years time in, but not a newbie either. He was also not arrested I am sure because of the witness statements as to what occured. Time will tell.
There have been officers here in AL even who have lost their lives to that one person who took them on. Hattiesburg, MS has a little park named after an Police Lady lost her life to a criminal who took possession of her gun over 30yrs ago.
Maybe the guy was a hot head, maybe he was sick; but there have been a lot of road rage incidents and murders done by truckers in the last few years. If you're penned up with a person in a small area, then I'm not sure what most people would have done in the same instance. -
The driver left the store after being asked to leave, comes back in and acts the way he did. Im sorry but if I was in the guards shoes I would have shot him too. Think about it, you throw someone out and they come back a short time later. That would make me think he went out to grab a weapon to use on me personally or someone else in the store.
They were warned about the area so Love's should be the ones on trial here not the security guard, so much goes on in Dayton that half of it doesn't make the news. Its pretty much Ohio's Detroit, I'd run out of fuel before I would stop in that place just because of where it is.NavigatorWife and Lepton1 Thank this. -
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My husband has been in truckstops with moonlighting cops as security. In the instance of one truckstop, the security was out helping direct trucks to spots to park and keeping the peace ongoing. In some cases you see guards not doing much of nothing really.
Gary, IN area years ago had security in some of the truckstops, it isn't a crime for a truckstop to have security guards, they are there for a reason, to protect the staff and other patrons. Those who do not abide by it are the ones who cause the trouble they were hired to watch out for and deal with. Back in the day my husband worked maintenance at one of them and they were known to chase hookers and other characters out by whatever method it took. I am sure Dayton is just the same, crime and riff raff hanging around, but you have that everywhere now days.
The police said they were waiting for a second video to be given to them, it most likely was uploaded to the home office. Hopefully this will shed more light on the story.
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