Oh I get it now, sorry . I see your point and it seems you have a great grasp of logging. Now get ready for 10 hours driving "only". Just incase they do change it.

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At this point no one is arguing the 14 hour rule.

They are only disputing the 11 & 34 hr rules. They are "wanting" to make the 11 hour rule a 10 hour rule, we are assuming keeping the 14 hour rule as this was not mentioned in any court documentation.

They was disputing the split breaking but the courts dismissed that as having proper documentation as drivers need the 8 hour break. ATA is going to do studies on this 8 & 2 and the "old" split to see if it is really valid or not.

9-12 will the be the latest we will hear anything, although we could hear any changes sooner.

FMCSA may come back with a different set of rules, but I am doubting they do as they don't want you drivers out there all confused again. Any changes will "HOPEFULLY" be easy to explain.

That's the best I can relay the message I got from ATA yesterday
I will update you all as I know more.

We have a thread going in the Regulations forum already.

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More flaming hoops will be placed for us to jump through, and a few will be removed. Everything is changed and nothing is changed. I'm going to figure out how to do this but I don't have to like it.

I am right there with you

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Isn't it time that regulations be put in place for these unsafe 4-wheeler drivers? They cause the majority of accidents, have 12 screaming kids in a car while they are eating and talking on the cell phone. But the PROFESSIONAL driver is to be punished. I was going through PA on 80 a couple weeks ago at night and the line of trucks merging for lane closures was awesome, no problems people cutting in or waiting to the last minute etc. Went through the same portion a week later during the day and cars were passing you with 10 feet left to the closure and caused a huge backup. I know there were more vehicles durning the day, but the ignorance/lack of common sense is astounding.

My assessment of these changes,during the winter I was taking my ten hour break at portsmouth nh,it was snowing about two inches an hour and I knew by the time my break was over I would have a heck of a time getting home to bangor me. I have years of experience on ice and snow,but,all I could think about is that young first winter driver trying to drive after having to wait a full ten hours. I don't believe anyone making that 14 hr rule and no short breaking,ever thought of the wintertime and the affect it could and would have on these new drivers. Now without the 11 hrs,and the 34 hr restart going it will mean more driving faster to get in the miles for the day,on the 11 you could drive slower to make the miles necessary to pay your bills and make a living. Now with the 34 hr restart going away,I believe instead of a company letting you come home before your 70 hrs is up will be a thing of the past. The big companies and some smaller ones will keep a driver out longer now without coming home until his 70 hrs is up or almost up and then give them their two days off,in order to take advantage of that truck and driver and utilize that driver for the utmost profit.Safety will suffer more,truckers are gonna be driving faster on the 10 hrs,driving more tired after going over 70 and taking off the 8th day on the road and rushing home after to be off and with their family. They will do these things above to keep trying to pay their bills and will have no choice but to drive faster and more tired to come home after a week and a half run or two week run.It won't be worth it to their company to let that driver off for two full days when that restart stops being used.That's my take on it.In my mind we all needed that 14 hr rule changed and thrown out to make us safer drivers,all of us,seniors and newbees.

It will actually serve companies better to give you 48 hrs off instead of 34 or 36 like some are now. No reset means that you will only get back what you have left on your 70. You will always have to keep 7 day tallies to know what you have for the 8th day, even if you had a day or two off.

Are you implying this is a good thing?

Not for companies, no. Especially with regional home every week positions where you absolutely need the restart. Not to mention dedicated runs that work the same. Most of the time, you will be running the same hrs, so no worries. But when you sit in traffic jams, you are screwed or you are an outlaw logger.

For OTR, this could mean running really tight and driving when you aren't used to it to make that 4 hours into a full 10 by taking off in the afternoon when the trip wont take so long. That's what I'm going to be doing. It can be done, but I honestly think the 11 is going to stay when this is all said and done, or maybe it'll be 10 but you get the restart.

If they want to fight fatigue, they should force companies to listen to the drivers. "YES" I can take this load, "NO" I can't. If you can say no whether or not you can legally do it, and consider how much rest you got and how long you will be awake and make a decision to wait for a load that is safer...that's when the roads will be safe again. When the companies nag and pressure you to do loads...unsafe. HOS RULES=technicality. There are times I could take a load 800 miles in 24 hours. There are times I don't want to take a load 300 miles because I've been up all day and it delivers at midnight. I know my limits, I worked for Swift and found those out, lol. 18 hrs driving/6 hr break = fatigue.

And now JB Hunt is teaching me also it's not even the 18 hrs driving that causes fatigue, it's just being awake 18 hrs at your delivery (and hoping you can get out of there in 2 or 3 hrs while your eyes are still open. They wonder why they have the most backing accidents, everyone is half asleep when they finally shut down.

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It's obviously not the drivers that are unsafe. The pressure to make payments, or just make money might be there as temptation but for the most part it's the company that is going to screw you over if you don't do the load that is going to make roads unsafe.