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Old 05.15.2008
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just want to point out that A) no arrests were made (as far as this story reports) and B ) it's NOT illegal to hold that kind of cash. Suspicious, yes, but not illegal. If it were illegal, that guy with the $23K would have no hope of getting it back.

Me, I'd be suing not only for my money back, but interest as well.
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just want to point out that A) no arrests were made (as far as this story reports) and B ) it's NOT illegal to hold that kind of cash. Suspicious, yes, but not illegal. If it were illegal, that guy with the $23K would have no hope of getting it back.

Me, I'd be suing not only for my money back, but interest as well.
Absolutely 100% correct. And yet, DHS takes the confiscate first, determine origin after, approach.

Oh well, if you're not doing anything illegal, you don't have to worry ... right?
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That's what I thought when I was driving down the highway, wearing my seatbelt, and a cop whipped around and pulled me over for not wearing my seatbelt. Then the time I was the DD and got pulled over under suspicion of drunk driving. We're nothing more than revenue generators for these people, if they look hard enough they'll find something "illegal" that you've done.
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Title 18 > Part I > Chapter 95 > § 1956

(2) Whoever transports, transmits, or transfers, or attempts to transport, transmit, or transfer a monetary instrument or funds from a place in the United States to or through a place outside the United States or to a place in the United States from or through a place outside the United States— (A) with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or
(B) knowing that the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer represent the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity and knowing that such transportation, transmission, or transfer is designed in whole or in part— (i) to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or
(ii) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law,

shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. For the purpose of the offense described in subparagraph (B), the defendant’s knowledge may be established by proof that a law enforcement officer represented the matter specified in subparagraph (B) as true, and the defendant’s subsequent statements or actions indicate that the defendant believed such representations to be true.

Pretty clear to me...authorities have the right to take the money until found not guilty.
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(2) Whoever transports, transmits, or transfers, or attempts to transport, transmit, or transfer a monetary instrument or funds from a place in the United States to or through a place outside the United States or to a place in the United States from or through a place outside the United States— (A) with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or
(B) knowing that the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer represent the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity and knowing that such transportation, transmission, or transfer is designed in whole or in part— (i) to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or
(ii) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law,

shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. For the purpose of the offense described in subparagraph (B), the defendant’s knowledge may be established by proof that a law enforcement officer represented the matter specified in subparagraph (B) as true, and the defendant’s subsequent statements or actions indicate that the defendant believed such representations to be true.

Pretty clear to me...authorities have the right to take the money until found not guilty.

Since when have we been living in a country where you are assumed guilty before a trial. Not that I really believe the money is innocent, but there have been instances where they have seized money and had to return it because it was in fact legal.
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(2) Whoever transports, transmits, or transfers, or attempts to transport, transmit, or transfer a monetary instrument or funds from a place in the United States to or through a place outside the United States or to a place in the United States from or through a place outside the United States— (A) with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity; or
(B) knowing that the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer represent the proceeds of some form of unlawful activity and knowing that such transportation, transmission, or transfer is designed in whole or in part— (i) to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity; or
(ii) to avoid a transaction reporting requirement under State or Federal law,

shall be sentenced to a fine of not more than $500,000 or twice the value of the monetary instrument or funds involved in the transportation, transmission, or transfer, whichever is greater, or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both. For the purpose of the offense described in subparagraph (B), the defendant’s knowledge may be established by proof that a law enforcement officer represented the matter specified in subparagraph (B) as true, and the defendant’s subsequent statements or actions indicate that the defendant believed such representations to be true.

Pretty clear to me...authorities have the right to take the money until found not guilty.

I don't know about that. It's pretty clear to me that they do not Know the purpose or source of the money, if they did, it would have been part of the story.

I'm pretty tired of us not being able to trust one another. I know the DHS is one of the stupidest government red taped outfits ever created and needs to be done away with along with a ton of it's ignorant rules. For instance my bank that I've done business with for 13 years of so now is requiring for Homeland Security Purposes that I provide them with a resolution on my business stating who I am and who's allowed to do what with my account.

We've made a daily deposit at this bank for 13 years, it's a small town bank, and we all know one another personally. The reason I'm at that bank is the former president of the bank was a customer of mine. He's of course retired, but I still do business with several of their employees. BTW: we've been in business for 45 years in the same county. It's not like they don't know who we are. It's the stupid government needs a bunch of signed papers on file stating that they in fact know who we are.

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MS law enforcement code for : If the punk calls or comes by and ask about the money....lock him up. Make sure he is aware of this, before you turn him loose.

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Since when have we been living in a country where you are assumed guilty before a trial. Not that I really believe the money is innocent, but there have been instances where they have seized money and had to return it because it was in fact legal.
We don't live in a country that assumes guilt before innocence. BUT...we do live in a country that requires (pretty much) a lawyer, at 10-1000 times the amount of the fine and/or court cost.

Even if you are innocent...you must spend the money. If it cost you everything you own...tough. Our wonderful system provides no recourse for you to recover your expenses.

It DOES provide recourse, for the government to recover expenses.
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we know he definately didn't make it hauling freight ,but when did having money become illegal??????????????
It IS illegal to carry over $10K in cash.
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