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Old 12.15.2008
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Hey Crazy Canuk,
You are right but unfortunately this was part of the Regan years[thank Regan kids] as far as the congress goes where have you been,test this Gods how dare you, then if they did a lot of drug dealers and doc's would be out of business!!

OUR BASIC RIGHTS!!!!!!!!! WHAT RIGHTS???????????? HELL ALL THIS TIME i THOUGHT WE ARE IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY AND JUST ACCEPTED IT!!!!
I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD RIGHTS, WHERE HAVE THEY KEPT THEM HID??? I WANT ONE



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If an employer has no probable cause to suspect drug use why should they test their drivers? It's an invasion of our most basic rights. Do they test members of congress for drugs? I think that if anyone is to be tested it should be them. They have the capability of causing the most harm to the most people of any profession. I still think that probable cause is required but any examination of their behaviour the minimum threshold for suspected drug use or mental defect is more evident.
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The athorities can't screw with the peoples rights in Canada. The Canadian Charter of Freedoms and Rights is our constitution and anything done buy the government that is in conflict with it will not stand. It has it's downside also. For example, if you are caught driving impared at a spot check that has been set up to randomly check for impared drivers. You willbeat the charge if you have even a half decent lawyer as the police had no cause to check you out. In BC the police don't even bother charging most people with impared any more. They are allowed to give you a 24hr. suspension and you loose your driving permit for a year once you have had 3 24hr. suspensions. They do it this way because their success in prosecuting drunk driving is not good.
I consider speed limiters screwing with people's rights .
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Old 12.18.2008
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I feel there should be drug testing on anyone that drivers a vehicle for a living. Meaning salesmen, truckers or anyone that will be behind a wheel for a certain amount of time, especially if they are paid for how much they drive.
Why?
Just because they have used drugs?
What if they're not under the influence at the time they're tested?
Where is the harm of having USED a drug, if they're not under the influence of drug(s) while performing their duties?
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Salesmen are kind of , they could do coke and drive all night looking for customers.
Cocaine is pretty expensive. More likely they'd use meth.
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He is jacked up and might hurt someone for more money for more coke . Not funny I know
NopE!
It sure isn't funny. Neither is being fired for using pot on one's time off --- weeks ago, and no longer under the influence.
Overkill?
I think so.

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But yeah if you fail it shouldn't hurt your career,
But it DOES!
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it's not intended to.
I'm not convinced that's true.
More like the gubmint tryin' to keep us under their thumb(s)
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If you do SAP classes then you should be able to get another job, however doing a test every month to assure you are clean. I do feel that is fair????
Uhhhh, HellO!
It's doesn't seem to matter what you, or others think is fair. The gubmint deems it so and dictates the rules for us to follow --- along with the insurance carriers who have been spooked by gubmint misinformation.


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Good luck with our believes and express them to the the FMCSA as they may hear your concerns,
IF they "hear" they ain't listening.
The facts and the truth are out there, IF they're interested in learning.
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then again if you feel there shouldn't be drug testing they may say oh he/she is just a drugie.
BINGO.
Labeled --- guilt by understanding the TRUTH of the matter.

Meanwhile, those who pass laws demanding that WE be tested, also demand that THEY not be tested.
Why?
Invasion of THEIR privacy without due cause.
Go figure.

IMO, if ANYone in a position to potentially harm others while performing their duties and exhibits odd behavior, as in possibly under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol, --- by golly --- TEST 'em post haste.
Otherwise, leave 'em alone.

What's next?
Sexual practices and/or preferences?
Goin' through our trash at the curb, lookin'
for beer bottles?
You MIGHT be is the same as you ARE?
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I completed a sap program cost a lot of money. results are have fun finding a company to hire you. I have passed several drug test since. Most companies tell me 3 years 10 years or not at all, no tolerance. In short sap programs are BS and don't do anything but take your money. If any body knows of a decent company renegade or other please let me know. Thanks
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As drivers our rights are violated daily.

Complaining about it here doesn't change a thing. Start writing to congress, I can't do this by myself.

I don't do drugs. Never have, never will. But at the very minimum companies should be required to pay us for the time taken to drop what we're doing and drug test.. That's at the minimum. If they want us to jump through hoops, fine, we should be compensated for it.

There are far too many intelligent people out there driving trucks. We're not all the dumb hicks that the government makes us out to be, if we stand up and start writing some of this very constructive, well thought out information in letters to congress or other various government agencies we will be heard, not until then. These people have 'more important' things to do than to google what we think, we have to take it to them, and only then will they care.. IF then, but after a while they will have to wake up.
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Here's some food for thought as well. When they are tested. They have "levels" which they use to determine impaired or not. Not just usage.

Non of this BS zero tolerance. And getting branded as a 20/20 driver, because of something you done 3 weeks ago, while on a 2 week vacation in Amsterdam.
What you do on your off duty time is your business. Once you climb into a commercial vehicle to drive you must be clean of drugs and have an alcohol content of less than 0.04. I didn't make the law, sorry.
It's not an invasion of your privacy to make you take a drug test. You are performing a safety sensitive job that is a privledge. You don't have to do it, you can work somewhere else that doesn't require drug testing.
There is no way around it, if you're a truck driver you will be drug tested.
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