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Mighty Mouse · **^ Top** #21 11.08.2008

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Originally Posted by MexicoTrucker

Before you guys go negative, read the damned report!

This report was in answer to a mandate from Congress which FMCSA complied with.

The members of the panel are all well regarded, non partisian experts from the private sector!

An analysis is here along with a link to download the .pdf file.[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link.

You know what's strange? The AP, Truckers News, eTrucker, Overdrive, Houston Chronicle, San Antonio Express News picked up on this. Would anyone venture a guess who is ignoring the report and it's conclusion?

You got it! OOIDA! Why? Because this report repudiates every lie, exaggeration, inaccurate statistics and opinion that they have made their members and some in Congress believe!

When an action contrary to the program has happened, they've been the first to crow about it and beat their chests on their website and on their afternoon website!

Could it be? Could it possibly be, that they have egg on their faces?

Their fear mongering got them an additional 10,000 members this past year but with this report, the gravy train is over.

For those of you that think statistics were hidden, crashes not reported, think of what you're saying!

This program has been under the microscope for so long that any incident involving one of these trucks would have been front page news!

Check every truck every time? You betcha! Read the report! FMCSA has always pledged to CHECK every truck every time for proper driver documents and licenses, proper registration and current CVSA decal.

Get over it people! You've been fed a load of bull and fell for it hook line and sinker.

I do believe that stringent requirements must be met by all continental drivers. You can't just let every damn person run from country to country and the same is true with the freight. It's the weakest link theory that throws kinks.

If a trailer originating somewhere in Honduras (not a part of Mexico) is bound for a city like Ontario, CA (not a part of Canada) to be put on rail to Vancouver (yes, Canada) then there are extreme requirements on one end where on the other there are minimal.

I know when I drop trans freight I have to inspect it and make sure it is loaded right, seal it when satisfied, then get it weighed and the entire trailer inspected to see what high standard repair is needed before crossing. When I pick something up I get trailers that have bad breaks, missing essential parts and are loaded dangerously (trailer tilt-able lopsided stacking, fall through leaning, or existing freight damage) all of which I am responsible for now that I am hauling it.

So, not only do I need to make everything DOT passable, but I also have to worry about my freight/trailer causing an accident or getting blamed personally for previously damaged freight.

The standards on freight is what needs changing and the higher they set the bar on the drivers going across borders the better off we all will be and our families included. Not only is it safer, but also job security and profit will be greatly benefited and a large partnership is formed solidly among all.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #22 11.08.2008

Why should any driver need to cross the border again?
Someone please enlighten me.
I take loads to Calexico and San Diego where they are off-loaded and then loaded on a truck going to Mexico.
I don't want to go to Mexico for various reasons and I do not want Mexican drivers up here, namely because based on my experience, they will work for less than half of what I get for freight.

driver4015 · **^ Top** #23 11.09.2008

I feel we should close the mexican border, not only to their trucks and citizens, but to their products. close the cross border ports tear up the hiways , use a solid concret wall, backed by a like wall 100 ft futher back and mine the distance between. If anything gets through that, shoot the suviors. I f canada wants to ship to and from mexico, fine let em do it by ship and air.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #24 11.09.2008

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Originally Posted by driver4015

I feel we should close the mexican border, not only to their trucks and citizens, but to their products. close the cross border ports tear up the hiways , use a solid concret wall, backed by a like wall 100 ft futher back and mine the distance between. If anything gets through that, shoot the suviors. I f canada wants to ship to and from mexico, fine let em do it by ship and air.

I wouldn't go to that extreme.
Build D.C.'s on the border with docks that are on both sides of the border with customs in the middle. I can get my $2.00/m or better and my Mexican counterpart can still drive for his pesos...everybody's happy.

MexicoTrucker · **^ Top** #25 11.09.2008

You know Ron-Mars.

That $2.00 per mile you speak of is good and it might interest you to know that that is pretty close to what the Mexican in country rates are.

I just took a load from Lemoyen La to Laredo destined for Mexico City.

600 miles on my part. Total rate for this load was $3100.00. We got $1400.00. The remainder went to the Mexican carrier.

Despite pay differentials, the rates are pretty close to equal.

I'll say it again. When all things are considered, extra insurance for US travel etc. the cost of operation is very close to being equal.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #26 11.09.2008

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Originally Posted by MexicoTrucker

You know Ron-Mars.

That $2.00 per mile you speak of is good and it might interest you to know that that is pretty close to what the Mexican in country rates are.

I just took a load from Lemoyen La to Laredo destined for Mexico City.

600 miles on my part. Total rate for this load was $3100.00. We got $1400.00. The remainder went to the Mexican carrier.

Despite pay differentials, the rates are pretty close to equal.

I'll say it again. When all things are considered, extra insurance for US travel etc. the cost of operation is very close to being equal.

Then why is that major O/O groups don't want Mexican Carriers operating here on US soil?
I'll tell you....
We get hammered enough by DOT, by local authorities, brokers who think that it's alright to post loads for under a $1/m and say that's an excellent rate. Do you know who takes those rates?

a 1000 points for the one who guesses correctly.
I do not want to see freight go the way of dump trucks or drayage in this country.
That's why I went to freight in the first place. I couldn't compete with carriers who didn't operate legally (as in obtaining the CA# in CAL/Intrastate), no licenses, no insurance, and would run at rates at 50% or below what everyone else was running to undercut the honest carriers. It got so bad last year that even the contractors I ran direct with were asking me to cut my rates by 50% and not charge a minimum because certain carriers could do it far cheaper (gee, I wonder why?) for them. It doesn't help either that Dot lets their "Tie-wired" and Duct-taped" rigs fly by the scales and the Inspection stations by the land-fills either. "Special Order 40" applies to them. Glad I live in country where they enforce the laws.
That's not letting the market forces work, that's "Bottom-Fishing" and one group of carriers are infamous for that trick.

Again, why is that having Mexican carriers operate in the US a good thing?
No one can answer that question except for maybe the Mexican carriers who will under-cut the American O/O's and the likes of Celedon and J.B. Hunt looking for the $.10/m driver who'll run 20 hours a day-HOS regs be damned.

MexicoTrucker · **^ Top** #27 11.09.2008

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Then why is that major O/O groups don't want Mexican Carriers operating here on US soil?
I'll tell you....
We get hammered enough by DOT, by local authorities, brokers who think that it's alright to post loads for under a $1/m and say that's an excellent rate. Do you know who takes those rates?

There is only one "major" alleged O/O group, OOIDA. I think it is obvious why they oppose it. The media exposure has worked well for gaining them new members.

What does your second paragraph have to do with the issue? Sure we get hammered! And the way to put those brokers you mention out of business is to refuse the freight. This is a pipe dream though because the bottom feeders will always be there to take it! And the bottom feeders are not the Mexicans.

The Mexicans don't seem to be using brokers. They appear to be taking freight back to the customer they came north for. I've personally witnessed this.

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I couldn't compete with carriers who didn't operate legally (as in obtaining the CA# in CAL/Intrastate), no licenses, no insurance, and would run at rates at 50% or below what everyone else was running to undercut the honest carriers. It got so bad last year that even the contractors I ran direct with were asking me to cut my rates by 50% and not charge a minimum because certain carriers could do it far cheaper (gee, I wonder why?) for them. It doesn't help either that Dot lets their "Tie-wired" and Duct-taped" rigs fly by the scales and the Inspection stations by the land-fills either. "Special Order 40" applies to them.

Seems to me that CHP is being remiss in their duties! What is this "Special Order 40"? Something from the minds of the loons that perhaps say that Mexican's are exempt from all laws, regulatory or otherwise? I'd like to see a copy of that!

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Again, why is that having Mexican carriers operate in the US a good thing?

It neither good nor bad! It is simply our country keeping it's word for a change without reneging! Most of you will never see a line haul Mexican truck. There have been 860 of them operating in this country since 1982. They have not caused any of us any economic losses!

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No one can answer that question except for maybe the Mexican carriers who will under-cut the American O/O's and the likes of Celedon and J.B. Hunt looking for the $.10/m driver who'll run 20 hours a day-HOS regs be damned.

And again, I repeat, they cannot undercut American O/O's when their cost of operation is basically the same as ours! And no self respecting Mexican would run for .$10 a mile. Celadon tried that with Jaguar back in 2000. They paid the drivers $.18 per mile and got sued by the drivers because of it.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #28 11.09.2008

Special Order 40 is a law that prohibits law enforcement from pulling over suspected illegal aliens. Justices in the CA Supreme Court also interpreted the "law" as protection for all Hispanics. So therefore given the choice of pulling my rig over and a rig of a Hispanic driver, the CHP would rather pull me over since I have no legal recourse in the event I'm placed in OOS or file a compaint.
I was on a flood control job in Pasadena and we were dumping the spoil in Irwindale. One of the drivers was an Illegal alien, no license, no insurance, no MC#. The IPD impounded the truck and held the driver for an unrelated charge. Next day, he was out back in the truck. That's what Special Order 40 is all about...a free pass with all of the icing, while Americans have to be compliant.

Working Class Patriot · **^ Top** #29 11.09.2008

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And again, I repeat, they cannot undercut American O/O's when their cost of operation is basically the same as ours! And no self respecting Mexican would run for .$10 a mile. Celadon tried that with Jaguar back in 2000. They paid the drivers $.18 per mile and got sued by the drivers because of it

IIRC when fuel was running at $5 a gal or higher the Mexican government was subsidizing fuel at around $2 US. I remeber that because several carriers were busted for buying fuel in Mexico and not paying taxes via IFTA.

MexicoTrucker · **^ Top** #30 11.09.2008

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Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

IIRC when fuel was running at $5 a gal or higher the Mexican government was subsidizing fuel at around $2 US. I remeber that because several carriers were busted for buying fuel in Mexico and not paying taxes via IFTA.

Actually, it wasn't carriers busted. It was individuals (entreprenuers ) going across and bringing it back to sell.

Unless you buy a permit to cross, you can't take your big rig across.

There was a lot of propaganda about that, but little of it was true, the news sources learned.

Mexico does subsidize the fuel, but is phasing that out. And realistically, how far will 240 gallons take you?

And for the American carriers operating in Mexico, which have made double the number of incursions into that country with half the trucks, the American trucking industry has profited.

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