Why a strike? The CSA 2010 will cripple trucking.

Discussion in 'Truckers Strike Forum' started by MCR6468, Feb 26, 2010.

  1. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    I don't believe in a trucker's strike. Truckers are not united and there are too many diverse opinions with this regard.

    Will see how this CSA 2010 affects the industry. It may take a while... So, will not speculate.

    I do think the government in USA is becoming very powerful very quickly, interfering too much in all aspects of our lifes and regulating every thing they can :biggrin_25513:

    I love independence and life on the road (that's the only reason why I drive the truck). But some of the regulations in this job really suck (more specifically the HOS).

    I have been driving for 2 years (almost) for a large co. They have started installing eletronic logs in their trucks. I will be going to another co. in the near future (one that uses paper logs and doesn't plan on going eletronic so soon).

    I try to be a good, safe driver and do my job the best way I can. But I will not have every minute of my life regulated and controlled by any government.
     
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  3. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    You will be having a short employment trail. The plan is for all of them to have them.
     
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  4. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    If so.... so be it. I have been self-employed all my life. Started driving the truck because I LOVE LIFE ON THE ROAD.

    But if this becomes just a mere job, that will bring me no fulfillment at all, only limitations, stress, etc, then, will have to find another way to support myself (hopefully on the road)... :Straight road:
     
  5. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Uh ??? Haven't you seen the news ??

    They're retraining every Tom, Dick, and Jane to drive a truck now.

    8 million unemployed. It will be 4 to 5 years, if not longer, before America feels the impact of this.

    That 170k figure....is first year figures. Imagine what the second year will bring, once it is full effect.

    The owner of our company has already let it be known...watch for black boxes. When you see them coming, start looking for a job. He's made his money, and has NO intention of operating at a loss.
     
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  6. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    So, what you are saying here, is that he can only make money running illegal and the drivers the same thing?
     
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  7. Ridgerunner665

    Ridgerunner665 Road Train Member

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    CSA 2010 isn't going to be the end of the trucking industry...but it will spell the end for a good many trucking companies before all is said and done.

    Drivers...the ones that can operate the truck without breaking any rules or laws will be fine...no matter how long they have been driving.

    Pay coming up...you bet it will, but it will take some time for it to roll around.
     
  8. MCR6468

    MCR6468 Medium Load Member

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    A few years ago I worked for an O/O that said he would not put in mandatory tracking devices in his truck, I have not seen any of his trucks around anymore.When you deal with the feds it's do it or surrender,there really is no choice.
    In the end it will be the big boys, SWIFT/WERNER/JB HUNT/ & so on. It's the small outfits that will be buried.:biggrin_25521:
     
  9. ChromeDome

    ChromeDome Road Train Member

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    I have to respectfully disagree.
    I keep hearing people complaining about this and most of the time the info they give is eather incorrect or incomplete.
    I am not at all concerned about CSA 2010. I was at first, then I really read about it and heard from people in the DOT and FMCSA about it. Now my concerns are gone.

    I heard a driver on the radio the other day saying that his company that currently has 300 trucks would have to get 100 more trucks to be able to run the same freight under this.
    By saying this, the driver is saying that the drivers in his company are cheating on there logs to the point that to legally handle the freight volume they would have to have that many more drivers.
    This is the type of company that needs to be shut down.
    This is the type of company that has caused the need for these regulations.
    This is the type of company that causes the DOT and government to want black boxes in all trucks.
    If it was not for cheating idiots the rates would be higher now than they are. We would not have as much over capacity as we do. Why? because it would take more trucks to haul the freight that is here.
    We would be able to charge higher rates, or the freight would not be getting moved.
    200k drivers is a drop in the bucket. Also those numbers are being used incorrectly in several articles (according to the FMCSA).
    The drivers that will be looking for work are going to be those that are unfit and should not be on the road anyway. And CSA 2010 will not take them off the road, the company's will fire them, and no company in there right minds will hire them.

    This will not be the death of any company that runs legally.
    It will only hurt those that are not running compliant.
    I can make good money running legal. I do it every day. Now it is time for the "super truckers" to learn to do it right or get off my highways.


    Oh, one more comment. Someone said that Mexicans are exempt.
    This is not true.
    Canadian companys are all having to fall under CSA 2010 just like American company's. Mexican carriers will be the same.
    It will not effect there operations in their country, but it will effect them hauling in the US.
     
  10. truckerdave1970

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    And that is EXACTLY what the goobermint WANTS YOU TO THINK!!!
    That attitude is what will destroy this industry. The govt is not your friend, no matter what they are trying to sell you!
    This will do nothing to raise rates or pay, it will only force older drivers out of the trucks so that newer, lesser paid rookies can get in!!!
     
  11. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Not at all.

    I am saying, some of our contracts require the driver to sit for extended lengths of time. To avoid issues with drivers who can't figure out how to actually log a split. We have a no split policy. Adding the black box, will further add fuel to the fire.

    Future contracts will have to be negotiated factoring this added cost in.

    Would you be willing to fork over the money, if you had reached retirement age ????

    I can't blame the man in the least. I'd sell the entire company...or simply close the doors.

    What is the actual cost of installing the boxes? Anyone ?? Why would he bother throwing so much money at it, this late in the game?

    As for legal or illegal. I won't log 4 hours driving, while sitting in a traffic jam for 4 hours. And that would be the ONLY legal way to log that event. But the black box would show it as off duty. Sorry, but the majority of black boxes DO NOT log "driving" unless you reach a speed of 15 mph.

    While both methods count against the 14. The LEGAL one counts against the 11. Which of us is smarter ?? The box or me ??
     
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