why ooida, why not the TEAMSTERS??

[rookietrucker]

Originally Posted by already gone

DHL has no market here because of UPS, they did NOT lose jobs because they were Teamsters.

And last i knew, THIS forum was for COMPANY drivers wanting a MASS strike, not Teamster drivers looking to strike ONE company.

This forum is for all professional drivers, union or not !!!

[already gone]

DHL pulled out of the US because of stiff competition from companies that were already firmly entrenched here. NOT because of Teamster representation.

I also don't see how joining the Teamsters results in job losses, over 13,000 joined from UPS freight last year. Ask the CN rail container drivers in Canada how much they like there new contract as well.

But I guess life must be easy at the bottom, as long as you don't speak up or try and improve your working conditions.

I'm still waiting on my answer as to why YOU are on the forum. Last I knew, this forum was for a GENERAL strike, not for Teamsters striking a specific company. Although, if these drivers with OOIDA or TVC stickers would start an organizing effort with the Teamsters, it might actually result in improved working conditions, instead of a loss of some pay.

[Lilbit]

Originally Posted by rookietrucker

This forum is for all professional drivers, union or not !!!

This forum is for anyone that wishes to be here, whether it is a company driver, O/O, trucker's significant other, and even non-truckers. Any thread is open to any member as long as they play by the rules.

[already gone]

Rookietrucker, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY right. Read my quote again, that is EXACTLY what I said. This is NOT a Teamster strike, this is a possible General strike, for anyone who WANTS to participate. My gripe is that the OOIDA cannot and WILL not help coordinate anything to help, so why not go to the organization that CAN and WILL help.

[RickG]

Originally Posted by already gone

DHL pulled out of the US because of stiff competition from companies that were already firmly entrenched here. NOT because of Teamster representation.

I also don't see how joining the Teamsters results in job losses, over 13,000 joined from UPS freight last year. Ask the CN rail container drivers in Canada how much they like there new contract as well.

But I guess life must be easy at the bottom, as long as you don't speak up or try and improve your working conditions.

I'm still waiting on my answer as to why YOU are on the forum. Last I knew, this forum was for a GENERAL strike, not for Teamsters striking a specific company. Although, if these drivers with OOIDA or TVC stickers would start an organizing effort with the Teamsters, it might actually result in improved working conditions, instead of a loss of some pay.

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January 25, 2008 – 12:59 pm A [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. parent company Deutsche Post World Net has no plans to sell its U.S. Express delivery service to its Memphis-based rival FedEx Corp. “There is no question about our exiting the U.S. business, a withdrawal can be completely ruled out,” DHL spokesman Jonathan Baker said in a phone interview with Memphis Business Journal Friday morning.

DHL Express employees ratify Teamsters contract



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WASHINGTON—The Teamsters Union said last week that more than 7,000 of its members at DHL Express ratified their first national contract

DHL Drops US Domestic Service

Nov 10, 2008 9:16 AM

Rather interesting chain of events . DHL says leaving the U.S. market can be completely ruled out . DHL workers vote in the Teamsters . DHL pulls out of the U.S. market .
As for a strike ...why ? I get paid for every mile I drive , loaded ,empty , or bobtail . I get detention and layover pay . Our customers pay good rates because we give good service . Why should we inconvenience our customers because somebody else accepted inferior conditions ?

[CH3NO2]

OOIDA is a trade organization not a labor union. They are a lobby group for CDL holders. That is why they can not organize or promote a strike. What have they done for company drivers?

• OOIDA also regularly fought attempts by the US DOT to strip the rights of truckers at random roadside stops and inspections.
• OOIDA’s strong lobbying efforts paid off in 1982 when nationwide uniform truck size and weight limits were established by Congress through the Surface Transportation Assistance Act. Later, the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 (ISTEA) froze the weight of longer combination vehicles and limited them to routes that were allowed by the states.
• Beginning in the early 90’s, OOIDA challenged the abusive practices of the Tennessee Public Service Commission toward drivers. A few years later, OOIDA (and all drivers) won this battle and the Tennessee PSC was abolished.
• In the mid-90’s, OOIDA was able to convince lawmakers that individual states should decide speed limits—not the U.S. Congress. OOIDA pushed for this change in the law with the help of the National Motorists Association, and over the objections of the American Trucking Association. Still today, you will not find another organization that fights for uniform speed limits or the abolishment of split speed limits for truckers on a consistent basis.
• OOIDA is also pushing for comprehensive mandatory training for entry-level drivers--the kind of training that will teach new drivers to be safe and to comply with the rules—the kind of training that will ultimately elevate the caliber of people seeking to enter this industry as drivers.
• OOIDA fought hard against the DOT's Mexican truck pilot program, and was instrumental in getting the funding cut off for the project.

[already gone]

Originally Posted by RickG

Rather interesting chain of events . DHL says leaving the U.S. market can be completely ruled out . DHL workers vote in the Teamsters . DHL pulls out of the U.S. market .
As for a strike ...why ? I get paid for every mile I drive , loaded ,empty , or bobtail . I get detention and layover pay . Our customers pay good rates because we give good service . Why should we inconvenience our customers because somebody else accepted inferior conditions ?

Its nice you only halfway research DHL. DHL is a German company that bought out AIRBORNE EXPRESS, who were already Teamsters. They did NOT vote in the Teamsters for the first time, as you suggest with your quotes, but these were EXISTING Teamsters working for a company that was bought out by another, and keeping what they already had.

DHL bought out Airborne Express KNOWING that it was a Teamster company. They pulled out because of the stiff competition that was already firmly planted in this country. Union and non, Fed Ex AND UPS.

Once AGAIN, I am going to ask WHY you are on the truckers STRIKE forum, if you don't believe in it, and you are satisfied. Are you here just to try and talk people out of it? If you are satisfied with your job, why worry about other drivers jobs, if they go on strike, if you have the great job that you think you do, won't that be more work for you at your GREAT job?

[JasonTheRock]

Speaking as a former DHL driver- DHL pulled out of the domestic market because they ran the domestic operations they picked up from Airborne Express into the ground.
When DHL bought out Airborne, Airborne was the 3 largest domestic carrier in the US. It was competitive, It was making money (not a lot) and had a huge customer base. DHL came in and threw billions (yes billions) of $$$ at restructuring the sorting facilities and equipment. They did nothing to attract new customers, they were banking on the customers coming to them. They thought that saturating the market with advertising, big yellow and red trucks, and god awful yellow and red uniforms would bring customers over. It was a "if build it and they will come " attitude, well it did not work. Customer service was terrible. Management was terrible. They had a huge package sorting restructuring in 2005(i think it was) during the holidays (busiest time of year) turn disastrous, it resulted in overnight packages being delivered weeks (yes, weeks late)and a loss about a 1/3 of the customer base they had. Since then they never recovered.

Spring of 07 they begin negotiations with teamsters for a national DHL contract, We were under the "national master freight agreement" for many years, NMFA was made up of several trucking companies. DHL also wanted part timers, because they told the union that they needed them to be compete with Fedex,UPS, which already had part-timers. The teamsters gave them what they wanted. DHL also gave into the union demands as well, one of which was an increase in hourly pay (which I though was stupid), the company is losing 700 million a year and they give in to a pay raise demand by the union???
SO, in spring of 08 we vote in the contract. DHL implements the part-time program and completely F*&ks it up. Finding out that it costs as much or more money to hire part-timers as it does to pay the full-time drivers over-time to do the same thing. So they scrape that, then they announce that they will have UPS take over transportation and sorting of packages for them, supposed to save 1-2 billion a year, at the time they were losing about 1 billion a year overall. Only jobs lost were to be the pilots and the main sorting hub in Ohio. Management tells the drivers this move will make up for the loses and that we should not see any reductions in # of drivers (this was in late summer of 2008. Then in November 08 DHL cuts all domestic point to point operations in the U.S, but keeps the international operations going. Number of driver jobs in the San Francisco bay area goes from about 700 to less than 300, another 200-300 management and service jobs (clerks, customer service,, etc.) are gone. DHL announces the move blaming the economic times! They would have crashed if it was a great economic time!!!!

They did give all the drivers 2 weeks of pay for every year of service up to 11 weeks, plus pension and medical for 3 months.

What went on with DHL reminds of what is going on now with our government thinking they can solve all of our problems by throwing money at it (that includes the current and former administrations). Well it does not work and your and my children are gonna suffer!

[JasonTheRock]

Originally Posted by Ron-MARS Trucking

Unions and strikes......what a joke......
Back in the early 90's, the Teamster were going to strike because of the utility contracts. They were going to allow "Low-rates" to come in and cut the wages by $5/h. So the Teamsters asked the IUOE and the labors to support each other in solidarity. The IUOE did but, the labors told the contractors that if the Teamsters went on strike, they would send their labors to driving schools to fill in and replace the striking Teamsters; then they would also put labors on equipment to replace the striking Operating Engineers..... Yeah...Unions care about the needs of the working man.....
I was a Teamster for 20 years...let's see if I still recieve a pension...or not......

I agree with you there.

Makes me wonder if the union would have told DHL: hey, your losing 700 mil a year, our members will take a pay cut, pension cut, and pay more in health insurance (instead of demanding more pay and more pension $$); Would I still have a job with DHL??????

[junkyardhound]

You have to wonder if that would have helped,sounds like a mismanaged co. to me.