I80E between Laramie and Cheyenne

Discussion in 'Trucking Accidents' started by FatDaddy, Mar 27, 2011.

  1. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    I have read the news article, I have read all of the posts.

    1. Without the information from the "black-box"...exactly how does the WHP KNOW the CRST truck was only doing 5 mph and in 2nd gear?

    2. The article states the CRST student was a "new" driver with 3 weeks experience, What the article doesn't mention is how long had this student driver been on Line 3?!
    2a. Was the CRST driver fresh on his driving time or fatigued from driving all night, close to or exceeding his 11 legal hours?

    3. Why the automatic blame on the "trucker" (CRST student) without ALL the facts and proof of the facts? Especially from "fellow truckers"?

    4. In any other accident, especially this TYPE...vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed TAIL-ENDS another vehicle.....the vehicle tail-ending the slower vehicle is normally AT FAULT! We have ALL made that assumption in any other incident!

    5. At 3 weeks, the student could have been a good driver not requiring complete supervision. I have had many students who were "naturals" and did not require my supervision after the first few days, let alone weeks!

    6. In legal circles there is something called "a preponderance of evidence". CRST is completely correct to not "openly allow" the information contained in the "black-box" to be downloaded WITHOUT their legal representative present when the information is obtained. Two sides to every story...and "point of contact" information has, in other cases, been known to "disappear" at no fault of the interpreter.

    7. Until the information from the "black-box" is made available...the statements made in the article from the WHP are purely speculative and conjecture. There is no mention whether the CRST truck was having mechanical/fuel issues or if the "fault" was actually "driver inexperience"!

    8. It is entirely wrong on our parts to "find fault" without full knowledge of actual, factual evidence of what transpired leading up to the event. There is no mention of the investigation as to the speed the FCC truck was traveling...or the FCC HOS issues with the now deceased FCC driver.

    9. My condolences to the family and friends of the departed FCC driver. And my sympathy and well wishes for the CRST student driver who must be taking on some very major mental personal issues at this time...and probably for the rest of his life!
     
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  3. FatDaddy

    FatDaddy Road Train Member

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    I am going to have to respectfully disagree with this without the entire facts present. Here are the reasons:

    1. At 3 weeks, a student is near completion of his training period and will be released to co-driver status within the next 7 days. At this point CRST dispatches them as a team. The student needs to be driving in all conditions, and we have no idea if this is his first time through Wyoming or not. He may have had no issues up to this point.

    2. That being said, CRST also is forced dispatch. So we have no idea how hard the truck had been running up to that point. Its not like the trainer has the option of saying, "we've been running hard and this dispatch leaves us the possibility of my student driving Wyoming at night and I can't stay up and supervise because I need to drive 11 hours after his shift because this is a tight load"

    This is a horrible tragedy and ultimately there will be plenty of blame to be spread around, but I hate to point fingers here without all the facts.
     
  4. drvrtech77

    drvrtech77 Road Train Member

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    How's does the hwy patrol come to that conclusion? That's easy readthe article. According to the trooper the student thought he was on an incline & in 2nd gear. He appearantly told the hwy patrol that he was disoriented .
     
  5. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    And every cop that you ever "discussed" something with always made statements of fact and absolutes about what you (the driver) was doing.

    Face it...it is all speculation and theory and conjecture until the "black-box" information is analyzed.

    Did the CRST truck have his 4 ways going? YES

    Did the FCC truck Tail-End the CRST truck? YES

    Was there any mention of mechanical/fuel problems with CRST? NO

    Was there any mention of the speed of the FCC truck? NO

    Was there any physical proof of the speed of the CRST truck? NO

    Was there any mention of the HOS/LOG of either driver? NO

    You do not have any sliver of evidence to lay blame on either vehicle or it's driver at this point!

    Put your "anti training company" agenda on hold until the facts are brought out!
     
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  6. American-Trucker

    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    I agree 100% but even if the CRST truck had been completely stopped with the 4 ways on the FCC truck should have seen him and changed lanes just like the truck ahead of him did... The ONLY way I see the FCC driver not being at fault is if he had had a heart attack or something and wasnt consious (sp?) but it says he hit the breaks so....even if he was going 100MPH he's still at fault right?



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  7. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Even if it comes out that the FCC driver did have some "health issue" preceding the crash...yes the FCC truck would be considered "at fault"....or share in fault, if the HOS/LOG issue shows any "negatives" on the CRST part.

    There are so many "possibilities" with the "potential" outcome of this investigation.

    And it will most assuredly be in a "court litigation" when the facts do come out...so it is going to be a long time before the public (us) get to find out the real circumstances.
     
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  8. American-Trucker

    American-Trucker Road Train Member

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    If the CRST driver or trainer were playing with their log books their retarded lol. I can't see any reason for a team to need to play with their log books. Even more so with a Trainer and Trainee

    But I do think the CRST driver will get at least some of the blame for going so slow...



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  9. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    That is going to depend....there are sections in that area where a truck can not get completely off the travel portion of the road surface...narrow shoulder....and the slope off the highway is precarious at best...so possibly there wasn't a "safe place" to get off the roadway...and he was "milking" the truck to get to a safe place....

    Again...too much we don't...and possibly will never find out....know!
     
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  10. Dna Mach

    Dna Mach Road Train Member

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    As professionals we look out for those not looking out for themselves. You can't do that while asleep in bunk.

    Why does CRST not ensure they have professionals training new drivers?
     
  11. Raiderfanatic

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    I was just through WY a couple weeks back. I guess I don't remember any hills that would require a truck to stay in 2nd gear at 5 mph. And I was pushing 80,000. It's a terrible thing that happened but to be going that slow....man, that is insane. Granted the deceased rear ended him but coming up on a truck going that slow would happen very, very fast.
     
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