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LogsRus · **^ Top** #11 02.18.2007

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Originally Posted by DownUnderTrucker

Wow! I thought it was complicated in Australia to get the book right! Sheesh! You guys in the USA have a living breathing walking talking nightmare to contend with!

Here it's a simple system.

12 hours driving in 24. 14 hours total working in 24.

Mandatory minimum 1/2 hour break after 5 hours ON DUTY (ie driving, loading or combination of both.)

Mandatory 10 hours 'rest' (in either sleeper or away from truck) in 24 hour period but MUST contain one continuous 6 hour period.

Maximum 72 hours in 7 day period then mandatory 24 hour break (away from vehicle completely).

I think our system is much simpler.

Down Under Trucker

Ours is just about the same a little different. Rawlco was explaining the options different drivers have in utilizing their hours on the 70 hour. Which is the same as your hours but different numbers. Sounds like USA is a little more harsh than you all!

The 70 hour is pretty basic and similar to yours!

(I love that smiley, just brings a big smile to me)

mArTmAn · **^ Top** #12 02.21.2007

All this log stuff has got me dizzy. I need help trying to figure this all out. We went over logs about 2 hours in class and nothing this complex that I been reading in this thread. LogsRus, help a brother out please where do I start?

Thanks,

Marty

maximizelife · **^ Top** #13 02.22.2007

Can you stop your 14 hour clock with the 2 hour break? (assuming you will finish it with the 8 hour sleeper time) Or is it just a line 4 rest stop and goes against your 70 ???
(in school on this subject NOW)

LogsRus · **^ Top** #14 02.22.2007

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Originally Posted by maximizelife

Can you stop your 14 hour clock with the 2 hour break? (assuming you will finish it with the 8 hour sleeper time) Or is it just a line 4 rest stop and goes against your 70 ???
(in school on this subject NOW)

The 2 hour break does not stop the clock. I don't like the phrase stopping the clock, because it really is "extending the clock".

Only an 8 hour break will extend the 14 hour. The 2 hour break will work with an 8 hour break, being you did not drive past the 14 hour and complete the 8 hour break in the sleeper.

I have a sheet in regulations that goes over split breaking, I also have a powerpoint (which is basically not put together the way I want) but I can e-mail you this information to understand more than just taking an 8 & 2, but to continue split breaking to get the full use and idea of it!
Let me know. I do need a personal e-mail address!

LogsRus · **^ Top** #15 02.22.2007

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Originally Posted by mArTmAn

All this log stuff has got me dizzy. I need help trying to figure this all out. We went over logs about 2 hours in class and nothing this complex that I been reading in this thread. LogsRus, help a brother out please where do I start?

Thanks,

Marty

First have you viewed my power point on the 70 hour? If not I suggest that you do that first! If you have do you still have it so we can look at the same page together?

I am feeling a little quizy right now, and I will try and be supportive, but if I can't make it I will get back with you as I am sure you are anxious to understand it!
Hey my class last that log.Hmm where was your class at? l.o.l. You can answer via pm if you want, l.o.l.
70 hour is not complex at all! VERY SIMPLE!

gjonny · **^ Top** #16 03.20.2007

LogsRus: Newbie here and in the process of attending training soon and have joined this forum to "Listen & Learn". Seens that this Log BooK process has alot confused. Since "Old Habits" are hard to break.....Advice for a new person to gain a good foundation?

Thanks!!

LogsRus · **^ Top** #17 03.20.2007

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Originally Posted by gjonny

LogsRus: Newbie here and in the process of attending training soon and have joined this forum to "Listen & Learn". Seens that this Log BooK process has alot confused. Since "Old Habits" are hard to break.....Advice for a new person to gain a good foundation?

Thanks!!

Yes I have some advice, RUN LEGAL! LOG LEGAL! Never take a load if you don't have the hours

Now to the real advice you wanted

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Look at the split breaking, 11 & 14 hour rule, 70 hour rule (hasn't changed except the 34 hour restart). Understand you must log line 4 time when working but not driving. Look up what on-duty means. Much of this I have power points/word documents under the Trucking Industry REgulations. I am keeping them at the top of the section. Check those out and if you have questions please feel free to ask

MedicineMan · **^ Top** #18 03.20.2007

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Originally Posted by LogsRus

Yes I have some advice, RUN LEGAL! LOG LEGAL! Never take a load if you don't have the hours

Now to the real advice you wanted

.

Look at the split breaking, 11 & 14 hour rule, 70 hour rule (hasn't changed except the 34 hour restart). Understand you must log line 4 time when working but not driving. Look up what on-duty means. Much of this I have power points/word documents under the Trucking Industry REgulations. I am keeping them at the top of the section. Check those out and if you have questions please feel free to ask

As much as I like our little forum chats I am SO glad I don't work with you.

I basicly hit my 70 in the 6th day out. Basicly every fueling, unloading, etc etc is 15 minutes. Why cut into your time needlessly. Now I'm talking it may take 25 minutes to setup a trailer and I'l log it at 15. No biggie. If it's REAL long I get paid detention so I have to log that on duty
There is such a big difference in how it should be done and how it is done you wouldn't believe untill you get out there. I say this and Logs is gona yell at me but I'm talking white lies here not government secret lies.... I don't condone the masive illegal running like I and pretty much everyone used to do. It was expected of us then

LogsRus · **^ Top** #19 03.22.2007

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Originally Posted by MedicineMan

As much as I like our little forum chats I am SO glad I don't work with you.

I basicly hit my 70 in the 6th day out. Basicly every fueling, unloading, etc etc is 15 minutes. Why cut into your time needlessly. Now I'm talking it may take 25 minutes to setup a trailer and I'l log it at 15. No biggie. If it's REAL long I get paid detention so I have to log that on duty
There is such a big difference in how it should be done and how it is done you wouldn't believe untill you get out there. I say this and Logs is gona yell at me but I'm talking white lies here not government secret lies.... I don't condone the masive illegal running like I and pretty much everyone used to do. It was expected of us then

You are right I am going to YELL # you

I am offended now, you don't want to work with me

Now you said something that I can help save you some line 4 time

Just because you get paid detention time does not mean you must log it on line 4. You can be in the sleeper as long as the customer doesn't mind and you are really in the sleeper. Read a book, do whatever in the sleeper (dont' tell me what thought, PLEASE L.O.L.).

Pay doesn't always mean it has to be logged. I can pay you for a 34 hour break if I want. If I could I would (so now do you want to work with me?).

I understand what you are saying and if you get by with it go for it, but I have to be the log lady and say be CAREFULL! I am like your mother

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I understand the road fully and I don't have to drive to understand it. I feel for you all and I know why you do what you do. I just worry about you all ok

MedicineMan · **^ Top** #20 03.22.2007

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Originally Posted by LogsRus

You are right I am going to YELL # you

I am offended now, you don't want to work with me

Now you said something that I can help save you some line 4 time

Just because you get paid detention time does not mean you must log it on line 4. You can be in the sleeper as long as the customer doesn't mind and you are really in the sleeper. Read a book, do whatever in the sleeper (dont' tell me what thought, PLEASE L.O.L.).

Pay doesn't always mean it has to be logged. I can pay you for a 34 hour break if I want. If I could I would (so now do you want to work with me?).

I understand what you are saying and if you get by with it go for it, but I have to be the log lady and say be CAREFULL! I am like your mother .
I understand the road fully and I don't have to drive to understand it. I feel for you all and I know why you do what you do. I just worry about you all ok

We all know you work for SWIFT, heck now I don't wana work with you??? OUr log lady just quit. COme work over by me and then we can work together. As long as we can come to a little under the table agreement that is

Now as for my on duty time. Trust me, if it were not required I would not be logging it. The co says they want it on duty, they get it on duty. WHich really hurts my hours.

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