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Old 11.17.2007
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Many drivers do get confused about the meaning of the hours of service. Let me chime in with the following concept; Hours of service are to limit your "DRIVING" not your work. For example you may "work 24 hours a day 7 days a week and NEVER be in violation so long as you do not attempt to DRIVE.
Now with the above established the rules should begin to make more sense. The 14 hour rule is a prohibition upon "driving" beyond a 14 hour work time frame. You may in fact continue working as in unloading a trailer as long as necessary to finish the job. Just be aware you will not legally be able to drive any further UNTIL you have a consecutive 10 hour break.
There are 3 ways to achieve this;
1. 10 hours consecutive off duty.
2. 10 hours consecutive sleeper berth.
3. Any combination of sleeper berth and off duty added consecutively to add up to 10 hours.

The only other rule governing your hours of service would be the 70/8 day rule so in the above example while it is legal to continue working beyond the 14 hour rule you should have been logging that additional time as "on duty not driving" which will detract from your over all hours available to work for the remainder of the week.

The 34 hour reset is the best solution to getting a fresh 70 hour work window and it is in fact better to be home to enjoy this time. Many companies understand this and have transitioned to a more regional type running to accomodate the drivers desire to be home and do the reset rather than be on the road and constantly be bumping the 70 hour rule.
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Logs if I remember right from back in the 80's you add lines 3 and 4 and after midnight on the 8th day that is what you have to work that day? Or are you just saying line 3 is all you can drive?

yes lines 3 & 4 is included on the 70 hour rule or 60. I said "If you work 10 hours a day between lines 3 & 4 combined " and today would be my 8th day, so my total hours was already 70, I can't work until "AFTER" MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. That's why I used today's date (Didn't I?)

What did I do now? Today is a bad day for me
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yes lines 3 & 4 is included on the 70 hour rule or 60. I said "If you work 10 hours a day between lines 3 & 4 combined " and today would be my 8th day, so my total hours was already 70, I can't work until "AFTER" MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. That's why I used today's date (Didn't I?)

What did I do now? Today is a bad day for me
You did not say add lines 3 and 4 I did so there!
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You did not say add lines 3 and 4 I did so there!
YES I did! look # the original post below and look for the red or whatever different color I will choose


Now I remember reading this very question and responding and I almost swear there was other responses as well???
Really, unless you asked it in 2 places on the forumn?

FYI about the # Of hours you take for a restart:
If you plan travel in Canada you will want to always take 36 hour breaks.
If you are a USA driver only you only need 34 hour breaks.

Now to answer your question: If you work 10 hours a day between lines 3 & 4 combined
10-Nov 10
11-Nov 10
12-Nov 10
13-Nov 10
14-Nov 10
15-Nov 10
16-Nov 10
70
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I saw that after I posted, but I am still sticling my tongue out at you!
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Now I remember reading this very question and responding and I almost swear there was other responses as well???
Really, unless you asked it in 2 places on the forumn?

FYI about the # Of hours you take for a restart:
If you plan travel in Canada you will want to always take 36 hour breaks.
If you are a USA driver only you only need 34 hour breaks.

Now to answer your question: If you work 10 hours a day between lines 3 & 4 combined
10-Nov 10
11-Nov 10
12-Nov 10
13-Nov 10
14-Nov 10
15-Nov 10
16-Nov 10
70


On November 17th (which is my 8th day) my recap shows I worked 70 hours for the last 7 days. Since my recap for today says I have worked all the hours available I must wait until 12:00 (midnight) and I can drive again what's on line 1 of my recap (in this case 10 hours) or I can do a 34/36 hour break and reset to 70 hours available. You don't have to take 34/36 hour breaks unless you need to.

However: In this scenerio you will be sitting for 1 day doing Midnight to Midnight doing nothing and if you stay 10 more hours off duty/sleeper the next day you would reset so what's 10 more hours to assure you are not over your 70 hour?

It's going to be hard to plan getting your restart at home only (mho).

Does this help make sense of his/your plan?

If you average 10 hours a day
Thank you very much.I appreciate you going through it again.
Oh and i didn't post it any where else, just here. it's all ok there is so much on this board i can see how things get over looked.

thanks again
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Boy, I really gotta hand it to ya LogsRus.....

With as many posts you make and the length of your posts you must be one heck of a typist. Here I am pressing each key with my finger one at a time, like a numskull. I see you really enjoy your work and you're a tremendous help to many drivers. I hereby declare that I've chosen you as " Log Educator Of The Month ". Keep up the great work. Now if I could only type that fast or that long I wouldn't be a dang truck driver.










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Yeap it is the same ol stuff: If you gain it at midnight you HAVE IT! IF you think a 34 is the best option "take it". But logging everything as off duty will get you into some trouble eventually. But yeah potty breaks etc log them as off duty, but loading, scaling etc is line 4!!!!!!
I hope you do the right thing, but if you don't I understand I don't agree, but I understand. Make sense? It is your life not mine! You are you and you will do what you want to do!
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Hmmmmm...

I've been out of the cab since early 2001 due to a back injury. Looks like I need to "bone up" on my log book technique....(Of which I used to be very creative being a busy reefer hauler!)

I've never heard of this "34 hr reset", where on the web can I go to educate myself on this change?

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Hope that helps on HOS...(hours of service)
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