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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    Well, I spose our EOBR's arent DOT certified because we the driver can change line 1, 2 and 4 entries but line 3 cant if it the entry was triggered by you driving. Well, it probly can be changed by the company, but as I said before, you have to have very good reason.
    I can understand a driver being able to correct lines 1,2,4 to correct mistakes. My post was about anyone changing driving time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddletrucker View Post
    I just absolutely love all of these assumtions. Let's see....

    If you run legal you won't make any money. Uhhh....nope. Making more money than I ever have, all running legal. Next year I'm going to go pay cash for a new tractor (glider kit).... from money made all while running 100% legal.

    I'll be hanging out in truck stops all the time. Nope. Only go to Flying J occasionally to fuel and get out. RARELY do I spend more than 10 minutes in a truck stop.

    I'll only be able to run 400 miles a day doing it legal? That's funny. Can't you do math? I run more than that and take naps and still don't violate the 14 hour rule, and even make all of my commitment times. Magical, huh?

    True, I do run less miles than a lot of guys do, but that is by my own choice. Took a very short while of owning a truck to start striving to run less miles for more money. You go ahead and run your tail end off illegally, and I'll go ahead and just charge more for the miles I WANT to run.

    Oh, and the best one of all.... If you run legal, your going to find yourself shut down 30 minutes from home. Maybe you will, I guess, if a 13 year old delinquent that's been held back two grades is doing your trip planning for you! I laugh everytime I hear this one. It's just too much.

    All of these ridiculous claims are always made by people who refuse to follow the rules, they expose themselves very seriously legally, they are one DOT inspection away from fines and out of service orders, but yet they say that we (the folks who run legal) are always the ones who aren't "outsmarting" the authorities. LOL.

    There are plenty things I don't like about the HOS rules, but I refuse to let myself be bullied into running illegally by some company or freight broker. Don't tell me I'm being outsmarted because I figured out how to make more money LEGALLY and then try to tell me I can't do it. That's just plain silly, but it is funny.

    We'll see who's outsmarting who when, God forbid, there's a serious accident and DOT is combing through debit card records, cell phone bills, fuel reciepts, security cameras, toll reciepts, etc.!!!

    If you think thAt's not ALREADY happening, then you're not keeping up with industry news! Man, it sure is nice to feel TOTALLY confident letting any DOT official see what I REALLY did. Knowing that if I'm involved in an accident, I won't give Parents Against Tired Truckers, Citizens for Reliable And Safe Highways, the DOT and FMCSA, and the bunch of scumbag government lawyers they'd undoubtedly hire, the ammunition and cause to have me locked up ain't too bad of a feeling, either.
    You make very good points... I used to be dead set against hos, eobr's, and pretty much any other law passed to slow me down..But I'm getting to the point where I really dont care anymore (Truckin aint Truckin anymore) and I'm gettin tired of stressing over it, but I know where the other guy is coming from also..Its coming down to this "If you cant pay for your truck (as a small O/O) when you buy it, you WILL NOT MAKE IT". You see, people break the law because they cant follow it and survive... Some give excusses like getting home early, or to make more money, but it really comes down to them not being financialy stable enouph to hold out for that good paying load, so they run more miles to make up for low pay (Running the wheels off their truck just to pay for it) I hold those drivers close to my heart, because for many years I was that driver, I was not greedy, but just doing what my situation dictated to me. Many weeks I have operated a 100thsnd dollar rig with 50 bucks to my name, but you are 100% right....Its coming, and trucking will never be the same again, and those who think their gonna beat the system will get beat themselves. Trucking isnt what it was 20yrs ago, and you cant run like you did back then. It saddens me to see the DEATH of Trucking, (true trucking) , but its happening before our eyes.......Everything that ever interested me, dazzled me, and excited me about trucking, and the drivers, is almost all gone...These systems will be the last straw for me..

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    They will be saddly. They arent the first company to do this with EOBR's, that company with those blue trucks, they been doing it from the beginning, and they are still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEAVY DUDE View Post
    Just one simple question: How can a company change a electronic log? If you do a little research you will find out that in order to have a elec. log that is DOT certified, it can't be changed by ANYONE. Some times the facts get in the way of a good story.


    Really. So companies like Werner, Central Ref, CR England, Prime and others that are running these electronic logs are not editing logs and hidding it? Your saddly mistaken. Their logs dept's have full editing access to your HOS logs and can change them to read what ever they want. I know this for I have seen it with my own eyes more then once. I will never drive again for a company that is elec HOS logs, and when the day comes all companies go to it, I will find a new career. Its my pocket book that pays the ticket, its my butt that goes to prison if I kill someone because I was driving when I knew I shouldnt have been, Not the dispatcher, not the company owner, ME. I have always lived by a code of conduct, and I will not break it for anyone, especially when its at my exspence. sorry is spelling is off, just a we bit tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddletrucker View Post
    I just absolutely love all of these assumtions. Let's see....

    If you run legal you won't make any money. Uhhh....nope. Making more money than I ever have, all running legal. Next year I'm going to go pay cash for a new tractor (glider kit).... from money made all while running 100% legal.

    I'll be hanging out in truck stops all the time. Nope. Only go to Flying J occasionally to fuel and get out. RARELY do I spend more than 10 minutes in a truck stop.

    I'll only be able to run 400 miles a day doing it legal? That's funny. Can't you do math? I run more than that and take naps and still don't violate the 14 hour rule, and even make all of my commitment times. Magical, huh?

    True, I do run less miles than a lot of guys do, but that is by my own choice. Took a very short while of owning a truck to start striving to run less miles for more money. You go ahead and run your tail end off illegally, and I'll go ahead and just charge more for the miles I WANT to run.

    Oh, and the best one of all.... If you run legal, your going to find yourself shut down 30 minutes from home. Maybe you will, I guess, if a 13 year old delinquent that's been held back two grades is doing your trip planning for you! I laugh everytime I hear this one. It's just too much.

    All of these ridiculous claims are always made by people who refuse to follow the rules, they expose themselves very seriously legally, they are one DOT inspection away from fines and out of service orders, but yet they say that we (the folks who run legal) are always the ones who aren't "outsmarting" the authorities. LOL.

    There are plenty things I don't like about the HOS rules, but I refuse to let myself be bullied into running illegally by some company or freight broker. Don't tell me I'm being outsmarted because I figured out how to make more money LEGALLY and then try to tell me I can't do it. That's just plain silly, but it is funny.

    We'll see who's outsmarting who when, God forbid, there's a serious accident and DOT is combing through debit card records, cell phone bills, fuel reciepts, security cameras, toll reciepts, etc.!!!

    If you think thAt's not ALREADY happening, then you're not keeping up with industry news! Man, it sure is nice to feel TOTALLY confident letting any DOT official see what I REALLY did. Knowing that if I'm involved in an accident, I won't give Parents Against Tired Truckers, Citizens for Reliable And Safe Highways, the DOT and FMCSA, and the bunch of scumbag government lawyers they'd undoubtedly hire, the ammunition and cause to have me locked up ain't too bad of a feeling, either.

    very well put and said Paddletrucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RECON08 View Post
    They will be saddly. They arent the first company to do this with EOBR's, that company with those blue trucks, they been doing it from the beginning, and they are still around.
    Most certainly the major companies will still be in business, they can afford to run legal by taking their profits from the driver's wallets!
    Let's not raise rates, instead we can lower pay and cut benefits!!!
    Like a previous poster said almost all the things that attracted me to trucking are gone! It's not fun anymore and is slowly becoming less profitable especially when you consider the liability and time spent away from home!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RECON08 View Post
    Really. So companies like Werner, Central Ref, CR England, Prime and others that are running these electronic logs are not editing logs and hidding it? Your saddly mistaken. Their logs dept's have full editing access to your HOS logs and can change them to read what ever they want. I know this for I have seen it with my own eyes more then once. I will never drive again for a company that is elec HOS logs, and when the day comes all companies go to it, I will find a new career. Its my pocket book that pays the ticket, its my butt that goes to prison if I kill someone because I was driving when I knew I shouldnt have been, Not the dispatcher, not the company owner, ME. I have always lived by a code of conduct, and I will not break it for anyone, especially when its at my exspence. sorry is spelling is off, just a we bit tired.
    Your story tell it any way you want. Use that brain of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RECON08 View Post
    By the way, I do run 100% legal. I refuse to run any other way. Im not going to prison for anyone or anyones load. If its that dam hot, put it on a plane, otherwise, it gets there when I get there, legally. Im not killing your family, you or anyone else just to make a buck or so the company can make a profit off me.
    Two thumbs up to you, sir! That's really my point. I'd like to split my time. I'd like to take less than 10 hours break sometimes, when I feel great and ready to go. There's lot's of thing i'd like to do. I always, however, think of the possibility of explaining and justifying my actions to a jury of my peers. The legal exposure is far too great to risk it. Go to jail for the money I make driving a truck? Nah, too risky for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEAVY DUDE View Post
    I can understand a driver being able to correct lines 1,2,4 to correct mistakes. My post was about anyone changing driving time.
    Just happened to me today. "Out of coverage" for an extended (2 hours plus) period. I had driven over 7 hours since midnite, DOT's mandated EORB showed less than 4.

    True that once driving time is recorder, it can't be changed, but when the system loses you (and for me it happens at least once a day), enter what you like, the and the stupid computers will not catch it.

    I absolutely hate this system. If it really worked, I could live with it, but with all the dropouts, it is completely worthless.

    And the ####### suits who implemented it are some of the most ignorant ##### that have ever walked the face of the Earth.

    As you can probably tell, I am not happy about this ####.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RECON08 View Post
    Their logs dept's have full editing access to your HOS logs and can change them to read what ever they want. I know this for I have seen it with my own eyes more then once..
    I have also seen this.

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