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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocks View Post
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    Well, I spose with that comment that you will be out of the industry indefinitely some day when the law makes paperless logs mandatory.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSam View Post
    As soon as EBOR are required in all trucks, some scum corporate exec. will have a way to wipe out a drivers hours at a click of a mouse so that driver will have the available hours to pick up or deliver a "hot" load. That driver will be pressured into delivering that load or be fired. The sweet part for the company is they now control all the records so the driver doesn't have a leg to stand on.
    Just wait until a driver (heaven forbid) is involved in a fatal accident. The Company (whom controls the records) will now do everything they can to make the driver solely responsible. They'll have the paperwork(EBOR's) to "prove" it. EBOR are not about safety, they're all about control and liability.
    Are you high? Where in that labyrinth of a brain you have conjure this up? They cant change your logs and if they do, its highly illegal. Besides, your logs can only be changed when you ask for it and even then, you have to have good reason to change it. Plus, if something gets changed on the other end, the log book on your qualcom will reflect it and inform you that your logs have been updated. People like you that pull this ridiculous crap out of your arse that you think is valid points really need to have your head examined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skunk_Truck_2590 View Post
    I can believe that too. I'll still keep a hard copy log book and digital pictures to match the EBOR and hard copy to back my ### up and don't care how much extra work it's gonna be. That's the great thing about digital camera's. No film!
    Yeah, but digital pictures can easily and quickly be edited. Don't be surprised if your pictures from your digital camera are inadmissible in court. Any picture, whether it comes from a point and shoot camera with film can be edited but not as easily and conveniently as digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    Well, I spose with that comment that you will be out of the industry indefinitely some day when the law makes paperless logs mandatory.
    It was not my comment, but I had similar sentiments. I have given a lot of thought to it, and if pay were to increase, I would bite the bullet and change my ways to some degree. If pay stays the same, or goes down, I might very well be out of the industry permanently. It would all depend on whatever job I could find. In the end, I'll do what I have to do to survive and maintain as good of a living standard as I can.

    I have debated a similar dilemma regarding all the stuff I have in my truck (26" flat screen, xbox, refrigerator, home stereo system, microwave, computer and stand all wired into stereo system). If the company I work for changed or went out of business I might not be able to have all this stuff. I have had to consider if I could get by without all of it. I've done it in the past, but had to wonder if I could go back living on the bare essentials. Ultimately, within my own mind, I've decided I could go down to living out of a backpack again if I had to.

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    It has been said already but bears repeating: the rules are NOT the problem, IT'S THE PAY!
    A wise person told me a long time ago "work smart, not hard!"
    All these companies advertise "more miles, more money!", what a load of bull schizz! I want more money for the miles I turn.
    As long as we are paid by the mile, in effect, rewarded for breaking the rules, drivers will continue to run illegal.
    Just a thought here, the technology exists to know EXACTLY when a driver is speeding or has run out of hours, right? Fine, drive as long as you want as fast as you want, but YOU DONT GET PAID FOR ANY MILES DRIVEN IF YOU ARE VIOLATING ANY RULES!!!
    I wonder how many outlaws would work very long FOR FREE? Not very many I bet. I guess that'll never work because it makes too much sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post
    Well, I spose with that comment that you will be out of the industry indefinitely some day when the law makes paperless logs mandatory.
    When that happens, my friend, I'll be doing something else that I enjoy and making enough money to have a pleasant life. Like I said before, reason I truck is because I have a free spirit and always loved life on the road. But I will not be a prisoner, living inside of a cell on wheels, having every minute of my life monitored and controlled by a co. or government (no matter how much money they pay me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by corneileous View Post


    Are you high?
    High??? I don't do drugs...or even drink!!!!!!
    I think you need to get your head out of the sand.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommDriver View Post
    It was not my comment, but I had similar sentiments. I have given a lot of thought to it, and if pay were to increase, I would bite the bullet and change my ways to some degree. If pay stays the same, or goes down, I might very well be out of the industry permanently. It would all depend on whatever job I could find. In the end, I'll do what I have to do to survive and maintain as good of a living standard as I can.

    I have debated a similar dilemma regarding all the stuff I have in my truck (26" flat screen, xbox, refrigerator, home stereo system, microwave, computer and stand all wired into stereo system). If the company I work for changed or went out of business I might not be able to have all this stuff. I have had to consider if I could get by without all of it. I've done it in the past, but had to wonder if I could go back living on the bare essentials. Ultimately, within my own mind, I've decided I could go down to living out of a backpack again if I had to.
    So, you're willing to throw all that away if you are forced to hand in your paper log book and be told to do it electronically?

    Hmmmmm....


    Quote Originally Posted by Rocks View Post
    When that happens, my friend, I'll be doing something else that I enjoy and making enough money to have a pleasant life. Like I said before, reason I truck is because I have a free spirit and always loved life on the road. But I will not be a prisoner, living inside of a cell on wheels, having every minute of my life monitored and controlled by a co. or government (no matter how much money they pay me).
    You don't have to live like a prisoner, bro.... Yeah, I may have only been driving for little over a year with a company that most of y'all refer to as a "CDL mill" but I drove for the first 8 months with paper logs and for the last 5 months on paperless and my mileage in a way has increased quite a bit. Maybe its because I team lease now and have a DM thats worth a crap that gives me more miles to shake a stick at? I dunno, maybe it is, maybe it isn't but I certainly haven't felt I need to figure a way cheat the system or just say, "Screw it, I quit!!" because I have to do my logs electronically. And by the way, I ran just as legal on my paper logs as I'm forced to on my paperless so whats the deal? Why are you people so friggin' afraid of electronic logs?? Gosh, its so much easier to do. No calculators, no more making sure everything looks legit......

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSam View Post
    High??? I don't do drugs...or even drink!!!!!!
    I think you need to get your head out of the sand.....
    Well, you're definitely smokin or on somethin with that wild-eyed post you made.

    And no, my head is not in the sand..... If anything, my neck and back is a little sore from trying to see things from your "perspective" but I guess I just ain't that limber.......

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    I'm still on paper logs, but my company is going electronic. My friends who are on the EOBR system now are getting more miles than I am - not because of anything that my FM is doing. It's just that the status of the EOBR guys is immediately available to the load planners.

    Comments from many of the EOBR guys is that they are somewhat limited by how the system works, but they get more available hours since the logging is to the minute rather than the next 15-minute increment. For example, if you're in and out of the fuel island in 8 minutes, it's logged that way - not as 15 minutes. Mostly it comes in dealing with what to do as the 11 and 14-hour clocks wind-down. It means you have to plan to have hours available when it comes to loading/unloading, and you have to plan your HOS breaks a little more carefully so you aren't left holding a bag with no hours in it.

    As far as compliance reviews are concerned, the FMCSA isn't even looking at fuel receipts, scale tickets, etc. The only thing they want are the gps location tags. Those are time-stamped and recorded on the mainframe in San Diego - and therefore the data is controlled by QualComm. So how is my management going to alter that? The answer is they can't.

    The biggest deal is altering your trip planning and driving habits to fit within the new framework that the EOBR presents. Can't deal with that, and you're gonna quit? Good. Just means there's more demand for those of us who can. The other plus that EOBRs bring is logbook compliance for CSA2010. That's the no. 1 issue on the CSA2010 scores that my company has received from FMCSA.

    BTW, it's looking more-and-more as though the FMCSA and Congress will mandate EOBRs for all interstate CMVs. That's going to limit who you can go crying to when you decide that the computer-nanny/EOBR is being mean to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSam View Post
    As soon as EBOR are required in all trucks, some scum corporate exec. will have a way to wipe out a drivers hours at a click of a mouse so that driver will have the available hours to pick up or deliver a "hot" load. That driver will be pressured into delivering that load or be fired. The sweet part for the company is they now control all the records so the driver doesn't have a leg to stand on.
    Just wait until a driver (heaven forbid) is involved in a fatal accident. The Company (whom controls the records) will now do everything they can to make the driver solely responsible. They'll have the paperwork(EBOR's) to "prove" it. EBOR are not about safety, they're all about control and liability.
    Are you implying that companies are going to wait to pressure drivers until the EOBR's are mandatory?!? You don't think that's already happening?


    You are, in a way, kind of making my point of why it's important to run compliant. If evveryone ran compliant, the companies would know they couldn't pressure drivers. They pressure drivers because they can. Drivers LET them.

    As for being involved in a fatality,
    Uhhhhh....... If you are the o e behind the wheel, you ARE the one solely responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddletrucker View Post
    Are you implying that companies are going to wait to pressure drivers until the EOBR's are mandatory?!? You don't think that's already happening?


    You are, in a way, kind of making my point of why it's important to run compliant. If evveryone ran compliant, the companies would know they couldn't pressure drivers. They pressure drivers because they can. Drivers LET them.

    As for being involved in a fatality,
    Uhhhhh....... If you are the o e behind the wheel, you ARE the one solely responsible.
    It might help if this was a 10 instead of a 5 in BASIC scoring!

    49 CFR 392.6 - Schedules to conform with speed limits.
    "No motor carrier shall schedule a run nor permit nor require the operation of any commercial motor vehicle between points in such period of time as would necessitate the commercial motor vehicle being operated at speeds greater than those prescribed by the jurisdictions in or through which the commercial motor vehicle is being operated."




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