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haz-mat without placards and documents

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by javelinjeff, Dec 5, 2010.

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  1. Dec 5, 2010 #1
    javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

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    This one is for Diesel Bear,,yesterday I rejected a trailer that crossed the border with placarded containers inside (NA1993 and UN2810),the trailer had no placards on it and the shipping documents did not have the proper information(proper shipping name,hazard class,packaging group,etc) and the papers did not even have the haz-mat box checked,,,this trailer passed through customs like this and was dropped at a yard in Laredo,TX. I am wondering how this trailer was allowed to cross the border with these violations,,,of course,once I rejected the trailer,,everyone involved scrambled to correct all the discrepancies in the BOL and provided me the placards. Also I wonder how a trailer can legally sit in a yard with no placards on it with haz-mat inside?? had there been a fire,emergency response would have no idea what dangers were present within that trailer,possibly exposing them to lethal chemicals.
     
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  3. Dec 5, 2010 #2
    canuck in da truck

    canuck in da truck Road Train Member

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    customs generally doesnt check your placards and such--they are more interested the importing side of things
    and as you know--you cant have a trailer sitting even in the yard with out placards if it needs them
     
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  4. Dec 5, 2010 #3
    LandShark

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    did it have "reportable quanities"?
    depending on how much actual hazmat you have on IT may POSSIBLY not require placards..
    If it under a certian amount. gallons weight...maybe not neccessary
     
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  5. Dec 5, 2010 #4
    javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

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    17 totes,,2,500 pounds each,liquid,,with placards on each one,,total gross weight of load 41,677 lbs,,,i think that qualifies as a reportable quantity,,lol
     
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  7. Dec 5, 2010 #5
    javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

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    every load that I have taken that has crossed the border has had paperwork issues that i correct before leaving the yard,,this is the first one that had no placards on it. I have sent Diesel Bear a PM regarding this,,,I think State and Federal LEO's need to know about this
     
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  8. Dec 5, 2010 #6
    statikuz

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    Interesting question - obviously it's illegal to have the trailer going down the road unplacarded if it requires it, but if it's just sitting there, is it still subject to regulations?

    Would it not be the same situation as a loaded trailer (loaded with hazmat requiring placarding) sitting at a shipper, waiting to be picked up, where the placarding, generally the carrier's responsibility, hasn't been applied? It hasn't actually MOVED yet... and it's on private property.

    Obviously you did the right thing, making sure it was legal for transport before moving it, which wasn't done by any prior parties, but that's all you can do. Apparently it isn't customs' responsibility to ensure this is done, or maybe they were not paying attention/being lazy/something else.
     
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  9. Dec 5, 2010 #7
    javelinjeff

    javelinjeff Medium Load Member

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    My understanding is this,,once the trailer moves from the shipper,it must be placarded,and remain placarded untill unloaded,,and while being "stored" at a carriers facility,,as the load is now legally considered "in transit",,even though it may not be hooked to a tractor while on carrier's said property,,this is why I posted this,,and since I have copies of the original documents,and the MSDS showing required placards,,and the original documents not showing haz-mat,etc,,I thought this info could be usefull to a driver that may not know that his load is illegal,,and yes,,,the carrier confirmed immediately that YES it was HAZ-MAT,,and was required to be placarded,and created a proper BOL,,,,but would not have done so if I had not rejected the trailer
     
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  10. Dec 5, 2010 #8
    Coonass

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    Thats one thing about hauling haz-mat, if your gonna do it make sure EVERYTHING
    is correct. You did right by rejecting that load since the paperwork was not right.

    You can have the paperwork but with haz-mat if you do not have all the information
    and in the correct order you can get some hefty fines.

    And your correct about once that trailer leaves the shipper it is to remain with the
    placards on it till unloading has taken place. And also if your gonna drop a trailer
    with haz-mat like y'all are talking about, the trailer has to be in a secure lot with a
    gate and someone also has to be on site to watch and attend to it should something
    happen.

    Our company has terminals that they designate for dropping or storing trailers with
    haz-mat as those locations have a fenced in lot and gate, and also has dispatchers
    on site 24/7/365.
     
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  11. Dec 5, 2010 #9
    canuck in da truck

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    as soon as the trailer is being loaded--it should have placards--until it is mt
     
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  12. Dec 5, 2010 #10
    CondoCruiser

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