Post-Trip

§392.7 Equipment, inspection and use. ​

No commercial motor vehicle shall be driven unless the driver is satisfied that the following parts

It states no commercial vehicle shall be "driven" unless the driver has satisfied that the following parts (blah blah). SO before you get behind the wheel you should check the equipment, I would hate for something to be wrong and you get 1 mile down the road and something bad happens to you. You are an o/op so you have more to lose than a company drivers. What I can't do is change your ways unless you see what I have posted, which is fine with me I am just here to try and help drivers out. Doing the post-trip on line 4 saves (most times) your 14 hour clock, because you can be on line 4 past your 14 hour, so doing a thorough post-trip save you time/money, in many cases the truck can be getting repaired while you are taking your 10 hour break. That is my theory, I don't care if you are o/op or company. I do feel you have more to lose becuase it is you truck etc.

 

You can be on line 4 all you want PAST your 14 hour. DOT just states you can't DRIVE past your 14 hour. So lets say you start @ 9:00 am, your 14 hour would be up @ 11:00 pm. You drove up to the 11:00 pm mark (you have not driven over 11 hours in that time) you can do your fuel, post-trip, work on your truck if you want, load/unload; but before you go to driving again you need your proper break (assuming you don't split break) of 10 hours consecutive. The line 4 time of course will go against your 70 hour, but it would anyhow regardless when you log it, but it isn't going to interfere with the 14 hour period of you getting your 11 hours in.
The thing is to drive right up to your 14 hour, you must be able to have some where to stop @ that 14 hour mark. Regardless though you ARE allowed to be on line 4 past your 14 hour.

Now does this mean line 4 doesn't count against your 14 (NO IT COUNTS)
Lines 1,2,3 & 4 count against your 14 (as I showed above when your 14 hour ends) but after the 14th hour DOT does not want you to drive a commercial motor vehicle and risk killing a car full of kids etc. With that said he doesn't care if you break a leg fueling your truck .

I have an example of the 11 & 14 and my example shows being on line 4 past the 14 hour so you can see a picture/explination.
If you want I can copy & paste the reg also. Sorry so long winded,but I want to make sure you understand although you are saying right now she is full of ****. (I am learning LUV )

 

This link should take you to several examples of the 11 & 14 hour rule. The sample # 2 shows where the driver is on line 4 past the 14th hour. Notice on day 2 the driver is in violation of their 11 hour, that came after his 10 hour break that cleared the prior day. This sample he drove 12 hours straight BAD DRIVER:

Sample 3: He was on line 4 past the 14th hour which was fine, but he took off driving. He should have stayed on line 4 or taken his 10 before he drove.

There is about 8 examples.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/hos-logbook-examples.htm

 

Yeah you are right about the pre-trip in Canada I know! Although I have to ask, I never had a problem with drivers prior to 1-1-07 regarding flagging a pre-trip and logging line 4 for a post-trip, but with the change that is coming??? Are/will they enforce the USA drivers to log a pre-trip? I hate to make the drivers use time before and after; although I stress always check your equipment on both, but why do everything if the truck hasn't moved (unless repaired).

I haven't gotten a straight answer due to they haven't changed the requirments yet. I don't know what they are changing at that!

Glad to hear someone else is on the same page about the pre & post! :smt023 I think we are anyhow?

 

Doing your post-trip when you stop for fuel isn't really the proper way, it is supposed to be done @ the completion of the day. But usually DOT(on the road) just looks for it to be on the log during a 24 hour period, which isn't what they should be doing. When DOT does an internal audit they want to see them right before you get behind the wheel and right when you stop driving at the end of the day. Also saving time while you fuel, the rule is when you fuel your truck you are supposed to be standing with the pump the whole time; therefore you can't be doing a post & fuel in 15 minutes, it would take at least 30 minutes (remember this isn't affecting your 14 hour if done at the END of the day, however it will still be counted towards your 70 hour). I am sure if you have gotten by with it, most will let you, but when it gets to the nitty gritty you may not get by with it??? AT least you are doing your inspections!!!!