Questions About Different Methods For Required 10 Hour Break

I'm a little bit confused by what you mean by "four different methods" of taking a break, but have you looked in the "regulations" segment of the site. There is a very informative lady there named Log's R US, who spends her working days monitoring logbooks and she is our resident guru of that area.

 

You can aquire a 10 hour "CONSECUTIVE BREAK" by

1) 10 hours off duty
2) 10 hours in the sleeper
3) 10 hours of sleeper/off duty combination (no special requirements, except there should be no line 3 or 4 interrupting the 10 hour break)

You can split break to aquire the 10 hour break: This is a process you must understand. When taking a break of 8 & 2 the 14 does not reset after the second break, it resets from the end of the prior/previous break.

4) Split breaking: using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.

Below is the DOT regulation: I know it is listed in the FMCSA "big" green book when discussing the 11 & 14 hour regulation, although it is late at night and I really don't want to wake anyone up by turning lights on! I found the 3 on this link which is 3 out of the 4
(g)(1)(i) In General. - A driver who operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle equipped with a sleeper berth, as defined in §§395.2 and 393.76 of this subchapter,

(g)(1)(i)(A) Must, before driving, accumulate

(1) At least 10 consecutive hours off duty;

(2) At least 10 consecutive hours of sleeper-berth time;

(3) A combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours; or

(4) The equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty if the driver does not comply with paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1), (2), or (3) of this section;

(g)(1)(i)(B) May not drive more than 11 hours following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1)-(4) of this section; and

(g)(1)(i)(C) May not drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1)-(4) of this section; and

(g)(1)(i)(D) Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour limit any sleeper berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.asp?section=395.1

I do know the HOS pretty well, so please ask any questions you may have! I even have log grid examples with instructions!

 

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My little brain just won't wrap around that concept.

And, what about if a driver takes two hours off duty or sleeper during the fourteen, then takes eight in the bunk prior to, or at the end of, the fourteen. Is the fourteen hour clock now reset?

It's easy to see some little pointy heads made this shtuff up.

 

No it would not reset because you did not take a FULL 10 hour break such as this
1) 10 hours off duty consecutively
2) 10 hours in the sleeper consecutively
3) 10 hours of sleeper/off duty combination

The 14 would reset from the end of the 2 hour break. Lets say the 2 ended at 12:00 pm. You would count over 14 hours which makes the 14 end at 0200 am the next day, but you have an 8 hour sleeper break after the end of the 2, so count over 8 hours from 0200 which makes the 14 hour end at 10:00 am the next day.

ONLY A FULL 10 HOUR BREAK RESETS THE 14 COMPLETELY

 

The fourteen would reset from the end of the two hour break, but only after the 8 was taken as well?

2xR hopes the LEOs aren't having such interpretation problems. Why did make this so danged confusing?

Thanks for you input. Now I fully understand, I should not split the break.

 

No 2x! YOu should keep trying to understand it and use it! YOu do not know how many times I have drivers that log illegal, but would be running legal if they logged it the way they really did it. For instance how many drivers really just want to stop for a full 8 hour break? Most drivers don't like to sit still for 10! Therefore you stop for 8 and then hey I want to stop and eat and nap to let the food settle (most men; l.o.l. j/k). There you go,that is a split break!

Splitting is very very easy, you just have to quit thinking about it so much, but study it! Keep studying my sheets. I can email it to you, if you don't have it! Remember:

8 hour "SLEEPER" break will extend your 14 hour!
2 hour break won't
Always start from the end of the previous break; count over 14 hours!

IF you have an 8 hour sleeper break after the previous break you can extend your 14 hour by the # of hours in the sleeper (as long as it is 8 hours or more).

If you don't have a 2 hour break your 14 is up 14 hours after the end of the previous break!

Driving time available: Add up driving hours in between the 8 & 2. TAke 11-Total of driving time=available hours to drive!

It is really easy

You can do it! It is a great tool to know and once you understand it, you will be a log pro! You won't be confussed about it and you will be like why in the heck could I have not gotten this before it is very simple!

Drivers think of it as difficult like our kids think 1st grade math is hard, but it is really easy once you learn it!

If you haven't given me your e-mail address and you haven't tried my powerpoint then you should! It might help make more sense. One of them is posted on the top of REgulations (it says split breaking). Now that is an example of a 8 hour break first and a 2 hour break first day. I have one that show's a 2 day split breaking also, I have to e-mail that to you! I need an e-mail address! LEARN IT FOR ME PLEASE, THEN COME BACK AND SAY I LEARNED IT AND GOSH IT IS VERY EASY!!!!!!!!!! Please do it just for me and you will love me for it "one day"

 

Here is another reason to learn how to use the split sleeper breaks. My dh has used the 8 hour break when the 10 hour break would have made him late. I remember one was due to the load time given. Another was due to a hold up at the shippers.

 

Yes Dreamin that is the biggest main reason to split! I love the butter fly!