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Hauling Small Quantities of HazMat
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I was trying to determine whether we need to placard when we transport some of the cleaning chemicals we use at work. They're received at one warehouse and then I usually load them in a straight truck (26,000 GVWR, so no CDL) and take them to whichever plant they're needed at. I'm usually moving small quantities, three or four big blue barrels. I'm not sure what a barrel weighs, but I'm guessing between 500 and 800lbs each. I'm not sure what class they are off hand, but I'm guessing either Class 8 or Class 5 (IIRC that's corrosive and oxidizer, respectively) because I believe they usually contain sodium hypochlorite [bleach] or sodium hydroxide. I know bleach is an oxidizer and sodium hydroxide is a strong base, so that should be corrosive. One product is 37% Nitric Acid, 4% Phosphoric Acid. I dunno about the latter, but nitric acid is serious, serious stuff- used in making explosives.
I never even thought about it until tonight when I was bringing empty barrels back. I remembered reading the definition for a Class C CDL, and it occurred to me that hauling these materials might require a CDL even if the truck's GVWR is below that needed for a Class B.
If I'm only going to one plant I'll only have 4 barrels, which if it's AC-55-5 RED (the nitric acid product) should be about 600lbs per barrel, or 2400lbs. It's being hauled between 1 mile and 10 miles (depending on plant). What about if I'm going to two plants and have eight barrels, which would be about 4800lbs.
Does the distance traveled bear any influence on whether placards are required (and whether a license is needed).
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Did you read the msds that came with it. That will explain a lot. If hazmat I believe anything over 1100 lbs has to have placards. If its on a public street, you have to be in compliance so distance has no bearing at all.
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Yeah. I'm pretty sure this requires placarding then.
I have read the MSDS, that's how I know what's in it (when I saw nitric acid I had to read it to see why we use it, what it's used for. I mean the stuff literally dissolves even silver)
This isn't the exact product but it's an older version of it: http://www.kelleysupply.com/customer..._AC-55-5CL.pdf
I think it might be 1,001 pounds actually, but regardless, if I have one barrel of this, and say another barrel with Quorum Green, which contains sodium hypochlorite (msds here: http://www.kellysolutions.com/erenew...2_05_05_PM.pdf). Now each one is below 1001lbs but combined they're over. Does this require placarding?
Those would both be Class 5, so if I understand correctly, that would be a yes, right?
This (http://www.kelleysupply.com/customer...ORUM_BROWN.pdf), another product I haul, is class 8. If I have 600lbs from Class 5 and 600 from Class 8, does this require placarding?
These rules and laws are complicated to a newcomer, and now that I've realized this is a legal issue, I want to make sure I have it right. I have moved these things hundreds of times and it never occurred to me until a few hours ago, and I want to make sure it gets done correctly. I don't want anyone getting in trouble over cleaning chemicals.
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http://www.roadsidehazmat.com/placar...ng-requirments
Wasn't the exact site i was looking for but it helps you out with the weight and placard requirements.
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Most shippers of hazmat are familiar with the placard requirements. But, you need to get a copy of the handbook for yourself so that you can make sure that you are in compliance. All it takes is one mistake and you will have some serious consequences. If you don't want to get a handbook then check the fmcsa website and print off what you need.
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if you receive something for shipment, you will/should be getting a shipping manifest. It's SUPPOSED to have a column headed "RQ" for reportable quantity. It is normally marked with an "X" in it.
If that column is marked with and "X", then you will need a placard. Having a reportable quantity means you also need to have the endorsement for HazMat, proof of insurance for transporting hazmat and all the required paperwork and MSDS' to go with it.
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All of your questions will be answered in the CDL Manual under the Hazmat Endorsement section, you can get a copy from your local BMV or online, just google hazmat endorsement.
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the CDL manual is barely enough information to make you dangerous. You have to have a considerable amount of guidance after that to really know what you are doing.
The paperwork alone is enough to boggle a mind.
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The Bill Of Lading or Shipping Paper being marked Hazmat by itself does not mean placards are required. A Table 1 hazmat requires placards, no matter the weight ot amount. A Table 2 hazmat does not need placards until 1001 pounds gross weight.
Each hazmat is assigned a UN number, or a UA number (less common). These can be looked up pretty easily to see if they are Table 1 or Table 2 and what placards, if any, are needed.
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Table 1 is related to nuke material.HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE A material, including its mixtures and solutions, that: (1) is listed in the Appendix to 172.101; (2) is in a quantity, in one package, which equals or exceeds the reportable quantity (RQ) listed in the Appendix to 49 CFR 172.101; (3) when in a mixture or solution for radionuclides conform to the appendix to 172.101, Table 2 is in a concentration by weight, which equals or exceeds the concentration corresponding to the RQ of the material as shown in the table of the 'hazardous substance" definition in 49 CFR 171.8. This definition does not apply to petroleum products that are lubricants or fuels. (See 40 CFR 300.6.)
Table 2 is pretty much everything else.
If it's RQ, you need to placard. Proper shipping containers and labeling also needs to be followed. Along with proper paperwork.
He could have 125 one-gallon containers and not be an RQ. But on some stuff, if that's one 55-gallon drum, then it's a RQ.
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