Buying a truck & new carbon emissions standards

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by gwalbo, Aug 23, 2013.

  1. gwalbo

    gwalbo Bobtail Member

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    Hi All,

    I am trying to re-enter the trucking industry and buy a truck.

    I am trying to find out how the new federal regulations on semi-truck emissions should influence the purchase of my truck.

    I am looking to buy something relatively cheap but don't want to run the risk of being noncompliant. I will primarily be operating in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and maybe California.

    If I buy a 2007 model, will that be a compliant truck given the new rules?

    Alternatively, do I have the option of doing an engine modification if I buy a truck that may be noncompliant? How much do those modifications costs generally?

    Thank you in advance for your help.
     
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  3. jahnneysazftw92

    jahnneysazftw92 Light Load Member

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    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truckstop/truckstop.htm


    Look for a 2008 and up truck with a 2007 and up motor. That will be compliant until 2023 with proper maintenance of the dpf. After 2023 u will need a 2010 motor and up installed. The above link should help you out
     
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  4. gokiddogo

    gokiddogo Road Train Member

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    An engine with at least a dpf you will be good for everywhere including Cali. The problem is, the dpf only motors won't make you a dime. You are better off getting the newer technology, 2010+ with dpf and def systems.
     
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  5. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    True dat. Stay away from '08-'10 trucks. Spend the extra $20K on a 2011 or newer truck. Too many O/O's have been bankrupted by first gen DPF trucks. DO NOT try to add DPF to an '07 or older truck, that is a can of worms that no truck owner can afford EVER!

    I have heard dozens of horror stories and NOTHING good about either of those options.
     
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  6. Rawze

    Rawze Medium Load Member

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    Not understanding them is the bulk of the problem. If you purchase a truck these days, understand well what it takes to keep the EGR/DPF system happy yourself and you will not get caught up in the 'endless problem' circle that most proclaim. It is pretty much required if you want to own your own truck for 1-mil.+ miles and make good money with it. There are many resources on this including here on TTR. I have an ISX, so I took the time to learn it well and understand it for exactly the reason Guntoter said. I thought it only proper to help others as much as I could in return, at least on this one engine anyways. Perhaps others will do the same for other brands and we can all come to 'get along' with these newer engines a bit better.

    I am not suggesting getting a truck with an ISX, but perhaps a better understanding of EGR/DPF in general will shed some light on what to consider...

    http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...x-cm871-technical-discussion.html#post3473888
     
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  7. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    DO NOT BUY ANY ENGINE OTHER THAN ISX if you buy a DPF/DEF engine.
    I would love to hear an old school Cat guy (such as myself) try to argue in favor of the DPF Cat engine (please dont say "they're OK after you bypass the DPF"...)
    Paccar engine is not worth scrap money. I would love to hear someone tell me they have a Paccar engine that did not have the oilpan and/or head off in the first 100K.
    Volvo proprietary engines, Mercedes, etc... All niche engines that could be OK while under warranty but will kill you after that.

    Cummins are the only group to figure this stuff out so far.
     
  8. daf105paccar

    daf105paccar Road Train Member

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    So Detroit Diesel is "niche" engine?? :thin:

    And cummins is the only good engine??:biggrin_25524:
    Strange that you then read on this forum that Cummins like to throw a rod.:yes2557:
     
  9. Lucar

    Lucar Road Train Member

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    Lol
    I'm still cat! Until 2023!
     
  10. Guntoter

    Guntoter Road Train Member

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    Yeah, Detroit is a "niche" engine. The have a very limited practical application. They have horrible serviceability after 500K, they are very reliable and efficient but too expensive to repair. Cost per mile on DD16 Vs. ISX is not even close. The OP wants to buy a used truck, Im guessing 5-800K miles, that is by far the worst time to own a DD16. Go ahead, say I dont know what Im talking about but plenty od O/O's will tell you that having a Detroit under warranty is awesome, but being the guy who has to pay for repairs is much more fun when you own a Cummins.
    "Throw a rod"? I know a dozen O/O's who own 2011-12-13 ISX engines and I cant think of one who has been inside the block on one yet. Of course most of them have had accessory issues or Def issues etc. but none have had catastrophic engine failures.

    So how is that unmodified 2008-10 Cat engine working out for ya? Whaaaaat? You didnt read the part where I said Cat engine without DPF mods? You're not going to try to tell me about your DPF Cat that runs great and has no emissions mods are you?
    You either put DPF on a 6NZ or ACCERT or took the DPF off your new one right?


    Wait... I got it, you have a 2014 Cat dump truck!
     
  11. PackRatTDI

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    Fwiw my company is 99% Volvo and all the post 2010 D13 equipped trucks are doing pretty good. Theres been a few headaches but not nearly as bad as the Pre 2010 ISX engines we have. Except for a couple of units that by sheer luck are workimg properly, the bulk of those trucks are kept local due to DPF issues.
     
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