so, you think your safe with the elog and hos.

You are very right about that... a lot of drivers on elogs or qualcomm are under a false sense of security that they are protected from violations... but it not so.. and many drivers get themselves in trouble with not logging correctly..

For example.. I am on qualcomm... at the end of evey day I need to "approve" my logs... many drivers wait till the end of the week or until they get a message... but, not approving your logs for a week is the equivalent of not signing your paper logs.

Also, drivers micky mouse with the qualcom... they log off duty when tney get to the shippers, then after they have parked their trailer on off duty status, hooked up to the next on off duty.. rthey will log on duty drop n hook for 4 minutes as ghey check out at tne guard gate and go go drive... well it looks pretty suspect when it always takes you only 4 minutes to drop and hook.. and 10 to fuel... my first trainer was like that.. I did like her one week and did it right the next.. and each week. 14 hours was 14 hours..

 

But...But....But.....The "Machine" is supposed to be perfect....

 

Not to mention one's carrier actually going into the system and changing the hours so things "look" legal. The TM would go into the qualcom system and change our starting times when we would run over our 14 or 11, 2-3 times a week. I didn't work there too long. Eventually things will catch up with them and they will have loads of questions to answer as to why there are so many log "corrections" at the beginning of everyone's day when DOT comes a knocking.

 

Depends on which elogs system your carrier is using...

"Form and manner" violations? Kinda what you're looking at Snowy... the data sent to the LEOs from a QualCom system isn't even in the grid format that is so familiar to all of us, so how can they even get one of those? It's a tabular list of where you were, and what you were logging at the time... which is perfectly legal under the ELD regulation. The "Onboard device requirement" violation says it all... whatever they were using was a cheap POS.

 

The same way you guys do it. Instead of stopping, you just go. It goes back to personal integrity... boasting that you're an "outlaw" only means that you are violating the hours of service (i.e., committing a crime, albeit minor)... and this is why we have ELDs. To make it easier for law enforcement to detect those who don't know when to stop.

Of course the machines "aren't perfect." They do eliminate "form and manner" violations if they are programmed correctly. The aspect of "safety" only comes into it when the driver actually conforms to the HOS, AND takes the opportunity to rest when it's presented.

 

Of course not. It makes them easier to detect.