Questions about when DOT #'s/Log Books are needed etc

What was the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle that was ticketed?

Nobody in the FMCSA cares if you only engage in interstate commerce once in a while or on an as needed basis. That means you need to comply on an as needed basis I guess.

 

So your driver was driving a commercial motor vehicle and engaged in interstate transportation. He was thus subject to all the neat rules that complicate the transportation industry. Medical card, drug testing, HOS, DOT #s, maybe mc authority, probably to light for 2290, UCR, and a big heap of other stuff. There are specific rules concerning how you lease for individual trips and are compliant. Start reading up on things at the FMCSA site, and you should probably also call your state FMCSA people and get pointed in the right direction. All states have a compliance line that at least here in VT is courteous and helpful. I would also recommend joining OOIDA and utilizing their services for getting set up and running properly.

If your driver is only going to fall under the regs intermittently, then there is a form he can use to sign off on the previous 7 days. You will find it in here along with all the other forms you need to make them happy: ETA - A Motor Carrier's Guide to Improving Highway Safety - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

 

Hey ABSI,

I was wondering if you were able to get any clarity on what you need to do when you're only renting these trucks intermittently. We are an IT liquidator and will occasionally rent a truck to remove the equipment ourselves. We only rent occasionally and have encountered the same problem at a weigh station in Maryland. I was 1100 lbs overweight with no medical card/log book/DOT#. Trying to find where "carriers" like us fit in this has been very difficult to understand. I've been going through the documentation on FMCSA, and I'm having trouble. Can you shed any light on our situation? are you still just doing pick ups and crossing your fingers?

any insight you may have would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

 

just out of curiosity, isnt it USDOT needed for over 10,000
and a CDL needed over 26,000? with air brakes?

its sad that the DOT man was so mis-understanding, sounds like he would have understood your situation, but...........the law is the law (i guess)

 

This leads me to believe we are exempt from DOT#s this is From Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations S390.21:

(e)
Rented CMVs.
A motor carrier op-
erating a self-propelled CMV under a
rental agreement having a term not in
excess of 30 calendar days meets the re-
quirements of this section if:
(1) The CMV is marked in accordance
with the provisions of paragraphs (b)
through (d) of this section; or
(2) The CMV is marked as set forth in
paragraph (e)(2)(i) through (iv) of this

section:
(i) The legal name or a single trade
name of the lessor is displayed in ac-
cordance with paragraphs (c) and (d) of
this section.
(ii) The lessor’s identification num-
ber preceded by the letters ‘‘USDOT’’ is
displayed in accordance with para-
graphs (c) and (d) of this section; and
(iii) The rental agreement entered
into by the lessor and the renting
motor carrier conspicuously contains
the following information:
(A) The name and complete physical
address of the principal place of busi-
ness of the renting motor carrier;
(B) The identification number issued
the renting motor carrier by the
FMCSA, preceded by the letters
‘‘USDOT,’’ if the motor carrier has
been issued such a number. In lieu of
the identification number required in
this paragraph, the following may be
shown in the rental agreement:
(
1
) Information which indicates
whether the motor carrier is engaged
in ‘‘interstate’’ or ‘‘intrastate’’ com-
merce; and
(
2
) Information which indicates
whether the renting motor carrier is
transporting hazardous materials in
the rented CMV;
(C) The sentence: ‘‘This lessor co-
operates with all Federal, State, and
local law enforcement officials nation-
wide to provide the identity of cus-
tomers who operate this rental CMV’’;
and
(iv) The rental agreement entered
into by the lessor and the renting
motor carrier is carried on the rental
CMV during the full term of the rental
agreement. See the leasing regulations
at 49 CFR 376 for information that
should be included in all leasing docu-
ments.

.....this is interesting I'm gonna talk to an FMCSA agent about this

 

I think when you operating CMV for profit with GW 10.001+ then all USDOT regulations applies as well as a weight station stops

 

(I know, an old thread, but still...)
For profit means nothing in the regs. It's commercial or not.
Usdot regs typically only matter over state line (but not always)
Weigh stations are on a per state on if you need to go in or not depending on cmv status and/or weight.