Hours of Service Question 60 hrs 7 days

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by sailboatjim, Aug 28, 2014.

  1. sailboatjim

    sailboatjim Light Load Member

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    I'm trying to settle an argument here.

    #1

    I drive

    Monday Drive 8hrs on duty 11
    Tuesday Drive 5hrs on duty 14
    Wednesday Drive 7hrs on duty 7hrs
    Thursday Drive 4 hrs. on duty 4hrs
    Friday Drive 1 hr to the house on duty 1hr.
    Saturday off duty
    Sunday off duty

    Drive Monday starting at 12:15am

    Is this legal?


    #2 Completely separate from number 1

    Monday Drive 4 hrs and on duty 10 hrs
    Tuesday Drive 6 hrs and on duty 10 hrs
    Wednesday Drive 10 hrs and on duty 4 hrs
    Thursday Drive 6 hrs and on duty 4 hrs
    Friday Drive 2 hrs and on duty 2 hrs.
    Saturday off duty
    Sunday off duty until 1 pm and then drive 2hrs on duty 2 hrs
     
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  3. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    if i'm reading your hours correctly. monday looks like you were on duty a total of 19 hours. tuesday looks like 19 hours. wednesday looks like 14 hours. thursday looks like 8 hours and friday looks like 2 hours.

    is that correct?

    your not allowed over 14 hours total onduty/drive time. 11 hours max for drive time. ''

    half of both weeks violates the 14 hour clock. if i read that correctly.
     
  4. buckeyetrucker

    buckeyetrucker Light Load Member

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    Both are legal as long as you didn't drive after your 14 were up each day and you have 10 off before you drive you drive again. You can be on duty as long as you want as long as you take 10 off before you drive again and dont drive after 70 hrs total.
     
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  5. Nic99

    Nic99 Bobtail Member

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    On duty not driving is one line item
    On duty driving is another line item

    Both added = total Duty time.

    On your first Monday, did you drive 8 hours inside an 11 hour duty window, or did you drive 8 hours and also work an additional 11 hours?

    It would be easier to answer if this was clarified for each duty day.
     
  6. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    The driver can continue to work indefinitely beyond the 14 hour limit so long as they do not drive.
     
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  7. sailboatjim

    sailboatjim Light Load Member

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    Turns out I misunderstood what he was saying let me see if I can get it right this time.

    Monday log drive 6 hrs, log on duty 6 hrs
    Tuesday log drive 6 hrs, log on duty 6 hrs
    Wednesday log drive 6 hrs, log on duty 6 hrs
    Thursday log drive 6 hrs, log on duty 6 hrs
    Friday log drive 3 hrs, log on duty 3 hrs.
    Saturday off duty starting at 1200 midnight (Friday night/Saturday Morning) (1am to 5am is met)
    Sunday off duty until 1200 noon then log drive 6 hrs (1 am to 5 am is met Saturday night/Sunday Morning)

    What does Sundays driving time go against? this week/last week
    Is this legal?
     
  8. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    looks like his operation is 60 hours. as that's what he's asking about.
     
  9. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    sure. but as you can see. he's obviously driving without a 10 in between shifts. if i'm reading that correctly.

    BUT, we don't know if he's mixing his hours. or driving, THEN on duty. he could be driving, onduty, driving, onduty. back and forth.

    he's just giving us a rundown of what his days look like. we have no idea how he's playing out his days.
     
  10. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    you met your 34 restart. (maybe) so sunday goes on this weeks.

    if you hadn't met your restart and was recapping, then sunday goes against last week.

    as far as your 34 restart goes. 168 hours is required from the start of one restart to the start of the next. if you start your restart on saturday. on the first week. and take saturday/sunday off. then the following week would have to follow the same day at the same time. more or less. if you start the second week on friday and take friday and saturday off then work sunday. you'd be on recap.

    so if you start your restart at midnight on friday/saturday. the first week. that's when it starts on the second week also. 168 hours from start to start. you can start later on the next week. but if you start earlier on the following week after. your kind of screwed.


    you can thank your local gooberment for that stupid idea.
     
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  11. sailboatjim

    sailboatjim Light Load Member

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    It is based on a 60 hr 7 day setup.
    We were just arguing about how the work on Sunday would be scored. Would we put that toward the new week or would it be a part of last week.
    It's technically a Monday week start but sometimes you have to leave on Sunday and I am assuming you would have to have time available to you from the past 7 days to drive?????
    The whole thing is crazy to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see tired and sleepy people out on the road but from my standpoint I see more people driving tired because of how they are treated getting loaded and unloaded than how they are treated by a "bad or greedy owner". Most of my delays come from shippers that just don't give a ####. That occurs unloading and loading.

    If these safety groups wanted to fix something maybe they could mandate pay for detention after so long.

    That would do more to get tired, angry, upset people off the road than anything else they could possible do.

    In fact, I think you could make an argument that they are making the situation worse because drivers are going to do what they have to do to make a living.
     
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