Ok so a lot of ppl know about CARB and how they want tractors that reside in CA or come into CA to be compliant with their high emission standards. And we know that they aren't exactly enforcing everything because well they dont seem to have the resources or the authority to do that completely.
What Im wondering is what are the big manufacturers like Freightliner doing to have CARB compliant trucks? They are using DPFs or a combo or other tech like SCR right? I figure that eventually CARB will get their way and anyone running with semis with engines older than the 2010 model year will get repeated fines. According to them, eventually everyone in CA will need a 2010 engine or newer regardless of what PM filter you got. I mean, its a gov/state agency. They aren't going anywhere.
So now I'm wondering, should I take a risk on a 2007-2009 model year tractor that's had a PM filter installed?? I know that these filters can create problems but I havent seen any solid evidence. Do some of these 07-09 semis come with DPF and other tech to make them compliant instead of PM filters? Or is that just the 2010 and newer model year engines? I actually need to make a decision for up to 6-7 semis and I am the sole person making this decision in the company (got a thread up about that btw) I havent done the analysis cost wise to keep older tractors running but I know the insurance will be less and the MPG should be a good improvement over our current units (98s, 2000s, 2001s), I just want to try to figure this CARB nightmare out first..
Thank you in advance!
DPF vs PM filters and do I really need new tractors? CARB carb carb
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by jpeters72155, Sep 17, 2014.
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2007 trucks and newer have Dpf i believe.
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trucks 07 and newer come with dpf. i think it's actually 08 though. trucks 10 and newer also come with def.
older trucks have to be retrofitted. -
Carb is a work in progress....fines range from $300 dollars and up
As the older trucks are forced to retire newer trucks should be have been certified clean idle and low emmissions for the environmentalist.
The Air Resource Board Website:
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Thanks for the info guys. In case anyone else needs some info on DEF and DPF, I found this article that was pretty helpful though semi broad:
http://jeremybaldwinfleetmanagement.com/2012/12/18/diesel-engine-dpf-dpf-the-difference/ -
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I ran into a driver the other day that owns 3 or 4 trucks. He has older trucks, customized Petes, that are pre-EGR. He runs CA all the time with them hauling produce. He has taken the old "Y" pipe cutout idea from the hot rod days, and has a DPF retrofit on the truck. When driving and not being tested, he has the exhaust running right on out regular exhaust. If stopped and tested, he has a switch in the cab to change the exhaust over to the retrofit DPF piping. After testing, switches back. I looked at this setup, it is as he described. And he had a load being unloaded that he had brought from CA. He was going to load meat later and head back to CA.
That seems like the best solution to this problem I have ever seen. He has been checked several times and not had any issues with CARB. It may be questionable, but there is no regulation to address his setup, so they can't cite him for violating anything. God Bless the ingenuity of common man! -
To the OP, NOT all new trucks are CARB compliant. I regularly drive one (2013 Western Star 4900 with an ISX) and it is not CARB compliant and will never be. -
Call it BS all you want. I saw the setup on that truck myself. Rather ingenious I thought. That driver makes regular runs to California and has been checked and never cited for not being in compliance. He just switches the Y pipe valve to regular exhaust when not being tested. And they have figured out what is going on. As long as he is compliant when he is tested, there is really nothing in the regulations that they can cite him for. There is no regulatory issues with having a diverter valve and running two different exhaust systems. As long as he is compliant when they test, there is nothing really they can cite him for. It really doesn't matter what an LEO thinks, if there is no regulation against it, there is nothing that can be cited for.
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I'm pretty sure there would be something in there about it being permanent/constantly active...i would read through it and find out, but I'm NEVER gonna go through cali, so I don't care that much
I can't bypass my speed.limiter on a switch and turn it on when MTO pulls me in, that's a big no no.....
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