ELD Mandate On the Way, Says FMCSA Official

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  1. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    I was just listening to the hearing on landline now.

    Mr fox repeatedly told congress they were wrong about fmcsa.

    He's no different then ferrow. It's basically fmcsa's way. No ifs ands or buts.

    Congress needs to shut down fmcsa. Just like homeland security will be shutting down if funding isn't made available.
     
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  3. SHO-TYME

    SHO-TYME Road Train Member

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    Don't believe everything the ATA says, they want ELog, higher insurance minimums, speed limiters, etc. to get rid of the little companies. There are 53,000 trucking companies in the US and the ATA represents around 394 and they think they run the trucking industry.
     
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  4. Studebaker Hawk

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    You missed by a zero. There are over 500,000 trucking companies that have a DOT number, according to the Wall Street Journal. The ATA is going to represent the interests of a small portion but biggest contributors of their membership, which is logical. It is all money, not numbers or votes.
    And Congress has no reason to slow any bureacratic process down that doesn't affect a large number of voters
    Imagine this question and answer when Congressman Blowhard is on a TV interview:
    Brian Williams: I understand that you voted against Electronic monitoring of how much time a truck driver can be behind the wheel, something that the ATA, law enforcement and almost all of the general public favors.
    Congressman Blowhard: Yes, I have about 15,000 truck driving constituents that think it is ineffective and an invasion of their privacy.
    Brian Williams: You mean the same people that scare the bejesus out of me following right on my bumper and throw bottles of urine on the rosdside
    Congressman Blowhard: Yes, that them.
     
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  5. EZX1100

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    http://www.overdriveonline.com/eld-mandate-independents-final-straw/

    A Final Rule mandating the use of electronic logging devices by drivers and fleets is expected to be published Sept. 30, 2015, according to a recent Department of Transportation report, meaning enforcement of the mandate would begin Sept. 30, 2017.
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    That publication date is a projection, included in the DOT’s monthly regulatory update.The report also says a projected rule to mandate the use of speed limiters will be sent from the DOT to the White Houses’ Office of Management and Budget next month, in line for a March 16 publication date.
    That projected rule’s action dates, however, have been pushed back several times this year already.
    Here are the projected dates for other upcoming regulations included in the report:
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    Liability insurance increase: Still projected for publication this month is an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking regarding the minimum amount of liability insurance that motor carriers must have. The ANPRM will likely be simply a questionnaire for carriers that will be used as a data gathering tool for the agency and not a rule intended to raise the current minimum.The agency still would have to produce a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking and accept public comment before crafting a Final Rule.
    Safety Fitness Determination: The DOT also projects in its report that FMCSA’s long-awaited Safety Fitness Determination rule will be published in April as a NPRM. The rule, once final, will allow the agency to use the data at its disposal to create absolute scores for carriers, which would be used to target them for intervention.
    The DOT projects a publication date of March 24. The rule will be sent to the OMB Dec. 23, according to the projection, and clear the OMB March 24.
    CDL Drug and Alcohol Clearinghouse: The Clearinghouse would establish a database of drives who have failed or refused to take a drug or alcohol test. The rule is scheduled to be published as a Final Rule in October 2015. It was published as a proposed rule this year.
    Driver coercion prohibition rule: This rule would prohibit carriers, brokers and others from coercing drivers to violate federal rules, like hours of service. It is scheduled to be published as a final rule Sept. 10, 2015. It was published as a proposed rule this year.
     
  6. EZX1100

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    Supporting documents
    Carriers and drivers will still be required to maintain documentation that verifies drivers’ hours of service records. “Supporting documents” can refer to either paper or electronic documents.
    Documents verifying driving time would not need to be kept, FMCSA says, but ones that verify periods of drivers’ on-duty not driving time must be maintained.
    For every 24-hour period the driver is on duty, carriers must maintain no more than 10 supporting documents from either of these categories (1) bills of lading, itineraries, schedules or other documents that show trip origin and destination, (2) dispatch records, trip records or similar documents (3) expense receipts, (4) electronic mobile communication records sent through fleet management systems or (5) payroll records, settlement sheets or similar documents that show what and how a driver was paid.
     
  7. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The latest Landline Mag says the FMSCA will send the final rule on this to the Transportation Sec in May and publish the final rule in Sept. The time for us to make comments is long gone and I'm afraid that elogs are a done deal now. Next up is the new speed limiter rule.
     
  8. supersnackbar

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    Unless you're f'g with the logs, what's the big deal? I've been doing this 20+ years...ran outlaw, ran legal...have done both paper and e-log...I prefer e-log, as long as there is the option of personal use of the truck, i.e.- line 5. When I was training to use e-log, we ran paper as the official, and did the e-log as a practice until our safety department was sure the driver was competent to go full e-log. I ALWAYS had more time on e-log at the end of the 8 days because it measured time to the minute. I got harassed less by the DOT, and it saved me off duty time because once I hit the off duty button and/or showed my post trip at the end of the day...it was done. No trying to figure out where I was when out west in the middle of nowhere, no math errors, no calculation to make sure I logged a legal speed, no 30 minute break issues. In fact, I use an e-log app on my phone as a back-up.

    As far as the excuse of being harassed by someone in operations...that is pure b.s. Remember this word ..."NO". If they try to force you via qualcomm/peoplenet...say no, even though I have the hours to legally do it, I didn't sleep well last night because of a noisy neighbor, weather, (what ever the legitimate reason) I am tired and I will update you once I get some rest. If they press...it's on their butt, not yours...if they fire you for it...sue them...those messages are on q/comm's database for 6 months...and by regulation it is your right to stop due to fatigue or illness. I have had dispatch threaten me over refusing, when I called their bluff and went to safety on them...they got disciplined...not me.
     
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  9. Eska

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    This is all about getting rid of small companies. Big ones have a chair in the congress and pushing them to do what they want. Latest fmcsa ruling was a joke. They allow crst for the new fresh out of school drivers to drive without trainer sitting right next to them. For fmcsa safety is an excuse as you can see in their last ruling. Bs never ends till you stop bending over.
     
  10. LMB

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    I believe the problem is, that most drivers don't know how to respond without a CB mike in their hand
     
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  11. snowwy

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    Somebody gonna have to teach me that trick.
     
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