Clearing the air on CPAP

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by DOTPhysical, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. DOTPhysical

    DOTPhysical Bobtail Member

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    In another thread, I was prompted to start this thread about OSA. The following is copied and pasted from my website. Keep in mind the following is not meant to be medical advice, and I can't give individual recommendations to anyone on the forum. However, hopefully,the following will be helpful, and I will attempt to answer any general questions about OSA, CPAP, and the DOT regulations as I understand them in subsequent posts.

    Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) and Excessive Daytime Sleepiness: How OSA can affect you certification.
    There has been a lot of talk about Obstructive Sleep Apnea, both from the FMCSA and drivers. Here, we will attempt to “demystify” the current guidelines so that you know what to expect when you get your physical
    In regards to certification, the decision whether or not to certify can be explained by reading the medical examiners handbook .

    http://nadme.vanbeeksystems.com/wp-...FMCSA_Medical_Examiner_Handbook-2014MAR18.pdf

    That is quite a bit to wade through, so I will summarize the recommendations for certifying operators.
    The guidelines about sleep apnea read like this:
    “ A person is physically qualified to drive a commercial vehicle of that person has NO established medical history or clinical diagnosis of a respiratory dysfunction likely to interfere with his or her ability to control and drive a commercial motor vehicle safely.”
    Standards are criteria that the examiner has no leeway on, and they MUST be followed. These are also called “Physical qualification standards.” So, if a driver has a respiratory dysfunction that is likely to interfere with safe operation, then the driver MUST be disqualified, according to the regulations.
    However, in the real world, that requirement is a bit vague. How can an examiner really tell whether or not the diagnosis or history of a “respiratory dysfunction” is “likely” to interfere with safe operation?
    Because of uncertainty, and varying practices from one examiner to the next, the FMCSA sent a bulletin in January 2015 to clarify issues surrounding OSA. This can be reviewed here.

    https://nationalregistry.fmcsa.dot....o MEs and Training Organizations-01122015.pdf

    Neither the bulletin nor the examiners handbook explicitly states any specific disqualifying parameters, such Body Mass index (weight to height ratio), neck size, etc. There is nothing that says “If your BMI is above such and such number, then a sleep study is warranted.” There is no guideline that says “if the neck circumference is greater than X inches” then an individual must be disqualified, or be referred to get a sleep study. In short, the medical examiner is being told to use his or her best judgment regarding whether or not OSA is or isn’t likely to be present, and whether or not to refer for further testing, based on history and physical exam.
    What is in the handbook is a rational approach to determine clinically whether or not OSA is an issue or not. That is why it is important to answer to the best of your ability about excessive daytime sleepiness, snoring, whether or spouse or significant other tells you that you stop breathing at when you sleep, etc. This will keep both you and the roads safe.
    There is significant latitude given to the examiner to use his or her medical judgment. Also, if it is determined that you likely have OSA, don’t get discouraged. Talk to your examiner about what different options are available. A temporary permit can even be issued in many cases, even with a Obstructive Sleep Apnea diagnosis.
     
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  3. TruckDuo

    TruckDuo Road Train Member

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    That's what's so scary. Medical examiners are human and can be corrupted like anyone else. Some companies are using sleep studies as the replacement for lease purchase scams.
     
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  4. Aminal

    Aminal Heavy Load Member

    I'm giving OP a thumbs up for the clever title alone! "Clearing the Air on CPAP" works on many levels. Well done.
     
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  5. sb1

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    how long is a sleep test good for? Is it something you have to be tested for again and a again or a one time thing you pass your all good?
     
  6. DOTPhysical

    DOTPhysical Bobtail Member

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    Good questions - but not one with an easy answer. It would depend on why the study was ordered in the first place, and whether or not there are any changes in your health. For example, if you had a sleep study did not show any sleep apnea at all, and nothing changed in your health history (no weight gain, no increase in snoring, etc.), then you may not need another one at re-cert, and perhaps you will never need another test.

    However, the way the sleep study is read is not just a yes or no answer, and there are different severities of sleep apnea - mild, moderate, severe. Depends on how many "arousals" there were averaged per hour (not that kind of arousal - arousal here means a "semi-awakening" but not enough to remember) and if/how many times the oxygen level dropped. The reports can be very complicated.

    So if it was determined that you did not have sleep apnea, but you were close to the cut-off, your examiner may request another one in a year or two to make sure it did not progress. If it was absolutely stone cold negative - then probably not.
     
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  7. sb1

    sb1 Light Load Member

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    hmm i guess i better call my dr I had it done 5? years ago i have maybe gained 20 pounds since would I need to take a copy to job interviews
     
  8. brsims

    brsims Road Train Member

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    Why do so many doctors use the Body Mass Index in determining who should be tested for sleep apnea? And why are the Body Mass Index numbers the way they are?

    I've come close on a couple of occasions to being referred for a sleep study due to my weight and height (BMI), as I don't match the numbers. I'm 6'2 1/2", and weigh around 260 lbs. I've been told by many different medical professionals that I am overweight (one even told me I'm on the edge of obese), and that my weight should be closer to 135-140 lbs. Yet, when I drop that much weight I don't have enough energy to do my job. The only way I can drop sufficient weight to match my supposed BMI is basically through maintaining my current physical activity (local flatbedder, plenty of throwing chains and tarping) while pretty much starving myself. Since I have yet to have any problems with sleeping, and due to the stories circulating about corruption found in the sleep studies and sales of CPAP machines, I'm a bit concerned.
     
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  10. DOTPhysical

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    Body mass index, or BMI is a formulation of weight divided by height. Easy online calculators are available, 6'2.5" at 260 is a BMI of 32.9.

    http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/educational/lose_wt/BMI/bmicalc.htm

    Underweight - BMI less than 18.5
    Ideal 18.5-24.9
    Overweight 25-29.9
    Obese 30-34.9
    Morbidly obese 35 or greater

    However, BMI is not the only factor to consider when screening for OSA. There is the "STOP-BANG" questionnaire
    http://www.sleepapnea.org/assets/files/pdf/STOP-BANG Questionnaire.pdf

    that is often employed. BMI is one factor (here greater than 35), others are neck circumference, loud snoring, feeling tired, etc. Also included is age greater than 50, and being male, and others. Screening is recommended if the score is 3 or more.

    So if you are a 51 year old male with a BMI > 35, then according to this screening you would be at a "high risk of OSA" and would likely be referred for screening. At your height, 6'2.5", you would need to weight 276 lbs to get to the BMI of 35.

    I would discourage the use of the BMI as a stand alone tool to determine who needs to be screened for OSA, however. Some people would get screened unnecessarily and others would be missed - skinny people can get OSA, too, albeit less frequently.

    I do not know of any exploitation - if I send someone for a sleep study test, it does not change my bottom line - if anything it creates more work. But if I feel someone really needs the test, I would absolutely order it.

    Healthcare fraud is in focus, so if there are any episodes of suspected kick-back schemes then I would report it, and so should you if you see it.

    On the other hand - if an examiner misses a case of OSA, and then that OSA causes a driver to wreck, that would be bad for the examiner and everyone else - so some fear, or "defensive" medicine may or may not be driving some of it.
     
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  11. ethos

    ethos Road Train Member

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    If say you ordered a sleep study for me could I just walk out and go to a different doctor? I mean I'll quit my job on the spot before I get diagnosed and have to wear some God awful mask the rest of my career. So what does happen if I've told you I sleep like a baby and you order one anyway? What are my options?
     
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