150 air mile radius question

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  1. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    I have never had this happen, but just figured i would ask those of you who may know

    i have read (on TTR) that if a guy is generally local, he doesnt have to log, except if he goes beyond the 150mile line (i think from his home domicile) correct?

    so conversely, if an OTR guy is doing work within 150 miles of his domicile, is he exempt from logging?
     
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  3. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    That is 100 air miles not 150. The 150 miles is for a non cdl driver.

     
  4. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    If a guy is local (within 150 mile radius) & he goes outside of that, he has to log... he also has to have his 8 previous days logs.

    If a guy is OTR & works local one day, yes. He has to log the local day.
    Additionally, he would have to show that day anyway because when he goes back OTR tomorrow, again, he has to show his previous 8 days logs.
     
  5. rbrtwbstr

    rbrtwbstr Road Train Member

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    Well, technically, no, you won't need to log it. But, if you're running a log anyway, why not log it?

    I run under the short haul rules, I do not go over 100 air miles from the yard. You do need to keep track of start and stop times, and you must report back to your terminal at the end of your 12 hours, or fill out a log sheet for the day. We use a simple time sheet which we show our times on, and I've never been questioned.

    But, it also can depend on the LEO who's asking..... we have some drivers running sleeper trucks, running short haul when there's no long runs, and they've been questioned about not logging.

    I've heard stories of people putting everything on line 4 in log books, but I dunno if that would fly with Barney Fife.....

    Personally, I think its dumb to have 90% of drivers requiring comic books, and 10% don't. But I do see the po
     
  6. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    "http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/395
    (e) Short-haul operations —(1) 100 air-mile radius driver . A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location;"

    If your running within 100 air mile radius, you do not have to log. However you do have to log if you run outside that radius.
    End result: if you run outside that 100 air mile radius of your reporting work location, you have to log. You also have to have your previous 8 days logs.


    You cant log line 4 unless your legal status is line 4... on duty, not driving.
    There is an exception for local (in the same city) where you are making multiple stops quicker than 15 minutes, that allows you to show all your on duty driving & on duty not driving in one continuous line. In other words if you are on duty for 10 hours & your stopping ever 5 minutes.... for 5 minutes, you can calculate your 5 minute intervals of driving & show that in one continuous line for say 5 hrs, then show your on duty not driving in one continuous line for 5 hrs. But you have to show your off duty :30 minutes etc, etc.. in there some where.
     
  7. 2Girls_1Truck

    2Girls_1Truck Medium Load Member

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    We definitely had a driver ticketed in the USA for blocking his day as "on duty not driving" while he did a whole day of drops and unloading. It's legal in Canada, we just mark "city work" in the notation and draw a continuous line.
     
  8. not4hire

    not4hire Road Train Member

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    That is incorrect. The regulations in Canada mirror those in the U.S.; all time in each duty status must be recorded, but can be aggregated for multiple stops in one jurisdiction.

    Commercial Vehicle Drivers Hours of Service Regulations
    Application Guide

    Can a short-distance driver (operating within the 160-km radius) have all of his or her on-duty time simply recorded as "on-duty - driving" even if this time includes some on-duty not driving periods.

    Guidance: No. However, a local driver may use the provision of Schedule 2 (c).

    http://ccmta.ca/images/publications/pdf//HoS_Application_Guide.pdf pg. 49


    National Safety Code for Motor Carriers
    STANDARD 9
    HOURS OF SERVICE

    SCHEDULE 2

    (c) if the driver is engaged in making deliveries in a municipality that result in a number of periods of driving time being interrupted by a number of short periods of other onduty time, the periods of driving time may be combined and the periods of other on-duty time may be combined;

    http://ccmta.ca/images/publications/pdf/NSC_9_Hours_of_Service_August_2010.pdf pg. 23​
     
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