2212

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by archt, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. archt

    archt Bobtail Member

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    Hi Everyone,
    I am new here. I am an architect and recently witnessed a truck leaving a construction site. He pulled over about a half mile away, the operator got out and removed 3 stickers, one on each side of the container and one on the back. I think they were labeled 2212. He than wadded them up, got back in the truck and took the load to another construction site where it was dumped.
    What does 2212 mean? I know they are doing some hazardous waste removal at the site where the truck left with the load. Is this something to be concerned about or just par for the course.

    Thanks
     
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  3. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Asbestos hazard. Brown and blue Low to Moderate Hazard.

    Did you see a "P" with it also?

    If this driver was truly hauling this load. You should be concerned. And contact local authorities. It's illegal to haul hazmat without placards or an endorcement.

    Please be advised, the same law requires drivers to REMOVE such placards after the load is removed.

    Additional note: Depending on the weight, the driver may have been exempt from placing placards.
     
  4. BobC

    BobC Medium Load Member

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    As a side note;

    I believe in some cases, the placards generally need to stay on until the non-packaged or bulk HM residue is washed out or otherwise completely removed from the trailer.
     
  5. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes. Bulk shipping containers such as tank trailers or chemical totes still require placards when empty, unless you have a cleaned-and-purged certification with you.
     
  6. archt

    archt Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the responses. Its unbelivable but I guess it happens. I did not see a P.
    They must be doing it a lot from this site as my wife observed this happening last friday as well. She did not follow the truck last friday but observerd the driver pulling over and removing the "placards" after loading and leaving the construction site.
     
  7. stranger

    stranger Road Train Member

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    It sounds like someone is charging to haul and dispose of hazardous material, then removing the placards and illegially dumping the waste at a non-hasmat site where it will be covered up.

    In other words, someone is illegially scamming the shipper, plus breaking untold local, state, and federal regulations.
     
  8. 2xR

    2xR Medium Load Member

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    A better statement is not possible.

    I was recently an "Industrial Waste Hauler", both hazardous, and, non-hazardous. Some of our waste loads could be taken to "special" landfills that were approved by the local regulating authority to add this waste to the rest of the trash. Never, ever, did we take placarded loads to a landfill. They had to go to a genuine disposal facility where the cost were higher, as well. Asbestos, and asbestos contaminated material usually ends up in Emile, AL.

    2xr thinks someone should be getting ready to pay the piper.
     
  9. archt

    archt Bobtail Member

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    Well its sort of hit the fan.....whats your take on these statements,,,,are the laws confusing about the placards etc?

    Article from the local newspaper.

    One day after truck drivers leaving the xxxxxxxx construction site were seen removing signs indicating they were carrying a hazardous material, the city has been assured that the situation will not be repeated.
    But whether or not the action violated any laws or posed a threat to the public remains unclear.
    Truck drivers were seen by a xxx reporter leaving the site on Oct. 11, driving four blocks before peeling off its signs on Washington Street. The truck then proceeded down Washington Street to the xxxx Turnpike and then drove north along Route xxx, over the xxxx Bridge and onto Route xx before stopping at the xxxxxxx condominium development in xxxxxx.
    A similar incident was reportedly observed by a resident twice in the past week, before tipping off the xxxx.
    Bill xxxxx who owns the xxxxxxx-based excavating company hired to remove the contaminated soil, said he was instructed by the state’s Department of Environmental Protection to post the signs.
    But he also said that his drivers are required to remove the signs before entering Maine or New Hampshire where the dirt was reportedly headed because laws in those states prohibit the identifying markers.
    If the trucking company was caught in Maine or New Hampshire displaying signs reading “2212” — a code indicating hazardous material — they’d be fined for misrepresenting their cargo, said xxxxxx.
    xxxxxx said his drivers were instructed to remove the placards at their discretion, but many decided to remove it before getting on the highway in xxxxxx.
    City spokesman Jeremy xxxxxx said the city met with project managers and a representative of the trucking company after reading the xxxx original story and has been assured that the placards will not be removed while the trucks are in the city.
    “They were not trying to do anything malicious,” Solomon said of the truck drivers. “They are just trying to comply with regulations which vary from state to state.”
    The asbestos, which was discovered on the building site last spring, is known as one of the safest forms of asbestos. The amount of asbestos – less than one percent – is not considered to be hazardous under federal and state regulations.
    A spokesperson for the Department of Environmental Protection confirmed today that any load carrying less than one percent asbestos is not considered hazardous – conflicting the instructions reportedly given to xxxxxx that the signs were needed originally.
    “If it is less than one percent asbestos, it is not treated as asbestos waste,” said Joe xxxx, spokesman for the DEP. “It is not considered to be asbestos-containing material.”
    The DEP does not require the trucks to be labeled for transportation – that is the responsibility of the state’s Department of Transportation, which could not be reached for comment.
    The conflicting reports coming from the state’s DEP have been troubling to xxxxxx company.
    “We are waiting for a clear answer of whether our trucks are or are not supposed to be marked,” said John xxxxx, who manages the transportation for xxxxx company. “We are just trying to do the right thing and comply with what all the parties are asking for.”
    According to the xxxxxx, even if the material was not considered hazardous, it still had to be removed.
    “If you are digging on a worksite and you come across dirt that contains asbestos, that dirt must be removed from the premises and it cannot be reused,” xxxxxx said
     
  10. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    I don't know the rules to this! Haz-mat is not my expertise:biggrin_25512:

    However did you report this? Good job because people are scamming every day and someone should be watching what's going on! Rather it be a 4 wheeler or a tractor trailer!
     
  11. 2xR

    2xR Medium Load Member

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    :biggrin_25513: There must be a manifest involved in the transportation of industrial waste. The manifest is a "Federal" requirement, and, it uniformly provides documentation of things like "generator", "disposal facility", "transporter", and equally important a "description" of the waste which will include it's "hazard class". In the case of bulk loads, a number (like you saw) will be noted on the manifest as well. This manifest serves as a chain of custody of the waste. It is a very legal document.

    The hazard class does not change at a state line. If the manifest defines the waste as hazardous (microscopic asbestos is hazardous), it will remain so throughout it's journey. Even when the waste is accepted by the disposal facility, the truck cannot operate without a "last contained" copy of the manifest, or, be un-placarded until the reside has been certifiably cleaned out of the vessel. In some instances if a roll-off container, or, a dump bed is used for the haul, and it is lined with a poly liner, and the liner is dumped as well, the container/dump bed is considered to be clean and residue free. The placards may then be removed.

    2xR thinks someone is lying, and, getting away with it. :biggrin_2552:
     
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