Driving while showing On-Duty, Not Driving?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by ziggystyles, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    Yeah that is legal! I believe this is why many accidents are also happening within 5 hours of a driver getting behind the wheel.

    Its hard to make someone sleep, however they want to force you to sleep 8 if you split break? That doesn't make sense. But lets not change right now

    My HEAD IS KILLING ME GUYS/LADIES:biggrin_25511:
     
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  3. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    That is why the old hours were better. After you woke up, because you went to bed tired, you didn't have to sit around for all those hours. There was no 14 hour window that makes you drive when you are tired or having to deal with the rush hour.
     
  4. bucksandducks

    bucksandducks Medium Load Member

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    I like the HOS how they are now. I do not get detained at the shipper as much as I used to. These new rules have forced "some" places to load and unload faster so they are not charged detention. When it was easier to split log, companies expected you split log. I hated it, and once you started doing it is was hard to get off of it. Now I get a full night sleep every night. I do wish we could extend the 14 hours by two hours if there is a two hour break in the day.
     
  5. moose685

    moose685 Light Load Member

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    Yes, going down to line 4 while driving your truck between stops or pickups
    in the same town or city is legal. Other examples of on duty(not driving):sitting in passenger seat in cab-conducting pre-trip inspection-loading/unloading-waiting to be dispatched-taking care of vehicle during breakdown-completing required paperwork-and-on lunch break with full responsibility for the vehicle. You can drive 11 hrs after 10 hrs of rest and No driving after 14 consecutive hours on duty. Hope this helps!
     
  6. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I might wonder about that a little bit. Most drivers get up shower, eat and then leave. When I do that, I get sleepy fairly quickly compared to when I have been up for a while.
     
  7. LogsRus

    LogsRus Log it Legal

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    To split break they state you must be in the sleeper for 8 hours consecutive, the 10 hour break you can be on line 1 or 2 for any amount of hours. Therfore not telling a driver how many hours they must sleep.

    What I have seen (via qualcom records, not driver records) is most accidents are happening between 3-5 hours after they start their day (after a 10 hour break). I personally again feel it's because drivers drive 11 hours, are tired sleep 5 hours and are awake for 5 hours, now they have legal permission to drive 11 hours,meaning they are now awake for 16 hours (not including the extra 3 hours they really have, which would mean they are awake 19 hours).

    That's my humble opinion only again :biggrin_25526:
     
  8. palerdr

    palerdr Medium Load Member

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    that's what I meant.






     
  9. Powder Joints

    Powder Joints Subjective Prognosticator

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    Wow, I cant believe that something so simple is made so difficult. Multiple stops in the same city maybe logged in line 4. Period do not make it difficult. When you arrive un the cuty with multi-stops draw a line from 3 to 4, and leave it there till yout thru with your stops in that city, then show the approrate amount of line 3 and/or line 4 as need to bring yuour book up to the change of duty time requirements. Keep it simple.
     
  10. tdb

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    From personal experience, I have logged deliveries in the manner your trainer suggested and have passed log-book inspections and audits.

    However, if you're still worried about failing to show either on-duty-driving or on-duty-not-driving and either your driving time or your unloading time are less than 15 minutes, then simply show yourself as on-duty driving and flag your deliveries as on-duty-not-driving or vice versa.

    If you're still confused about all the subtleties of logging hours, then here's some basic advice that will never fail you: your logbook records time in 15 minute increments. If it takes 8 minutes or more, log it. If it takes 7 minutes or less, flag it.
     
  11. abjz71

    abjz71 Light Load Member

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    same here hasnt been a problem ive even been stoped while doing it he thought about giving paper till i had him look it up taught him somthin new that day
     
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