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rockrawlin · **^ Top** #71 02.13.2009

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Originally Posted by rob86gn

The rates are really bad out there. I would love to see the brokers forced to disclose that info. What about trucking companies who hire owner operators and claim they are paying 85% or 75% of the total, do owner ops have the right to audit them?

You can make a broker disclose the rate they received on a load but the problem is that first, you have to take the load...second, you may have to take them to court and subpeopna their records...and third, forget about ever doing business with that broker again.

Title 49 CFR 371.3 of the FMCSRs. Here's the wording:
Under Title 49 CFR 371.3 Records are to be kept by brokers.
(a) A broker shall keep a record of each transaction. For purposes of this section, brokers may keep master lists of consignors and the address and registration number of the carrier, rather than repeating this information for each transaction. The record shall show:
(1)The name and address of the consignor;
(2)The name, address, and registration number of the originating motor carrier;
(3)The bill of lading or freight bill number;
(4)The amount of compensation received by the broker for the brokerage service performed and the name of the payer;
(5)A description of any non-brokerage service performed in connection with each shipment or other activity, the amount of compensation received for the service, and the name of the payer; and
(6)The amount of any freight charges collected by the broker and the date of payment to the carrier.
(b)Brokers shall keep the records required by this section for a period of three
years.
(c)Each party to a brokered transaction has the right to review the record of the
transaction required to be kept by these rules.

This regulation is a very powerful tool for you to use when dealing with a broker to keep them honest. The impact of requesting this information after you haul the first load for a new broker is a strong tool to use. Remember 371.3 (c) states that each party to a brokered transaction has the right to review the record of the transaction required to be kept by these rules.

Whether the load was flat rated or a percentage the regulation still gives you the right to review the record. If this rule is ignored it is enforceable under private right of action, Federal law 49 USC 14704 (a), and 14707. This rule will allow you to obtain a court order requiring brokers to comply with regulations.
In the event you have to go to court to get this information private right of action also allows a court to award reasonable attorney's fee that the court can impose as part of the costs of the action.
*Remember—you need everything in writing and keep copies of all paperwork.

rockrawlin · **^ Top** #72 02.13.2009

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Originally Posted by TX_Proud

I have a list I have been maintaing for over two years. Over 1000 entries of bad brokers, slow pay, no pay, slimy, skimming, out of business. It has been growing like crazy over the past 2 months.

I hope you're adding the cheap freight pushers to your list. I refuse to do business any of them, even if they try to give me a better rate cause they are desperate.

Hopefully these bad brokers will burn enough of the cheap freight haulers out here and it'll be back to business as usual for the rest of us.

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #73 02.13.2009

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Originally Posted by rockrawlin

I hope you're adding the cheap freight pushers to your list. I refuse to do business any of them, even if they try to give me a better rate cause they are desperate.

Hopefully these bad brokers will burn enough of the cheap freight haulers out here and it'll be back to business as usual for the rest of us.

Unfortunately, the cheap brokers will always be around, they are being fed by customers who have no problem dealing with them and there will always be a trucking company will be need that load for whatever reason and will take it.

Headhaul, backhaul, truck needs to be somewhere or get out of a place, that's where those guys get you.
We could talk for a month on specifics of what's a headhaul and what's a backhaul. Why do these brokerages think that there should be a difference in price? When you go to pay for fuel, you don't walk up and say I'd like to have the backhaul rate on this tank of fuel. The customer who is supplying the load doesn't say to the broker, this is a backhaul, it should get a cheaper rate.

Here is what everyone in the industry needs to remember....
PROFIT IS NOT A DIRTY WORD

split484 · **^ Top** #74 02.13.2009

This stuff is over my head as I'm a custom metal shop owner. Thanks for letting me in and for the replies. With the account, Estes was my choice. eventhough the lift gate didn't make it to my pick-up, the driver was kind enough to help me toss a 300# pallet onto his trailer. That kind of extra means alot to us little guys with ltl stuff. best regards to all...

Lilbit · **^ Top** #75 02.13.2009

Here's another thread that will probably answer some of your questions.

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luvtheroad · **^ Top** #76 02.13.2009

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Originally Posted by split484

This stuff is over my head as I'm a custom metal shop owner. Thanks for letting me in and for the replies. With the account, Estes was my choice. eventhough the lift gate didn't make it to my pick-up, the driver was kind enough to help me toss a 300# pallet onto his trailer. That kind of extra means alot to us little guys with ltl stuff. best regards to all...

hey, good for you! glad they were able to make it. i know a national account person for them but she would freak if i put her name on here for the world of trucking to see LMAO. anyway, good luck. anytime you need expert help from all of us non experts, let us know.

_ton bundle · **^ Top** #77 02.14.2009

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Originally Posted by jrou

I am working on becoming a freight broker agent and would really like some opinons from you drivers on who the better brokers would be to work for. I have no experience in this feild but I do have great respect for you drivers and wouldn't want to be tied up with a broker that doesn't feel the same. I only want to work for one that treats their drivers right. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks so much
jrou

What do you mean by "I am working on becoming a freight broker agent?" If you have no experience in the field, then I am concerned that you may be getting scammed. Are you going through a program that will 'license' you to be a broker when you are done? If so, stop the program right now and try to get your money back. These 'programs' are ALL scams. There is not one legitimate program out there.

Please give me some details on what you are doing and I can give you advise on how to become a freight broker the right way. Also, no "agency brokerage" will take you on as an agent unless you have accounts. If you have no experience, you have no accounts.

If you think that there are a lot of scams for truckers, there are many, many more scams for the broker wannabe. Sorry if I come off as harsh, but I hate seeing people being taken advantage of, and I fear that is what is about to happen to you.

PharmPhail · **^ Top** #78 02.14.2009

What do you do outside of getting licensed and bonded, buying some leads and hitting the phones?

I don't think anyone should buy into any promises from an internet kit, but an e-book or two on the matter couldn't hurt.

Lilbit · **^ Top** #79 02.14.2009

There is not a license for brokers.

You need an operating authority through FMCSA just like a truck owner does.

luvtheroad · **^ Top** #80 02.14.2009

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Originally Posted by PharmPhail

What do you do outside of getting licensed and bonded, buying some leads and hitting the phones

A LOT more to it than that, if it were that easy, we would all have profitable brokerages. As for buying leads, who else has them too? It takes more to get customers than calling them on the phone. And it takes more than one call, whether it be phone or live calls.

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