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Old 08.11.2008
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halk its my interpretation that you are correct your job duties involve driving and so everything you get payed for gets logged as for the original post if your not under load your no different from the giant motter coach buses as long as you have the correct license your good to go and id define reasonable distance as how ever far youd drive your personal transportation as long as your safe because lets face it if your in a accident after getting off duty car or big truck the ambulance chaser lawyer will come after you and the thought that there going to come after you if your driving the company truck your being naive if not stupid there going to go after who ever has the deepest pockets and im going to put money on it that the driver wont have deeper pockets then the company
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Had a question on logs I am in the Natl. Guard some of the guys that are in my unit also drive big trucks. We was debating HOS I replyed that we are to log our drill time as on duty not driving because we are getting paid is this not right? They are telling me that we dont have to cause it has nothing to do with transportation
By strict interpretation of the book, yes, you should log it.

HOWEVER, if you are not driving a truck, or doing other work for a transportation company, you realistically don't have to.

(Similar question to jury duty, really- which you log as off-duty)

Now, if you are driving a truck for the NG... that might have to be logged
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Had a question on logs I am in the Natl. Guard some of the guys that are in my unit also drive big trucks. We was debating HOS I replyed that we are to log our drill time as on duty not driving because we are getting paid is this not right? They are telling me that we dont have to cause it has nothing to do with transportation
I spent 20 years in the Army, Res, & Guard. I never logged it. Stop and think. You are on duty muta 5 fri nite till sun night. When are you going to do your 34? How about your 2 weeks? You are on duty 24-7 for 2 weeks. Your gonna blow your HOS out the window.
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I spent 20 years in the Army, Res, & Guard. I never logged it. Stop and think. You are on duty muta 5 fri nite till sun night. When are you going to do your 34? How about your 2 weeks? You are on duty 24-7 for 2 weeks. Your gonna blow your HOS out the window.
To comply with HOS you take your restart the Monday and Tuesday after the weekend and the 2 days after the 2 weeks . You get paid for the Guard and Reserve duty , don't you ?
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To comply with HOS you take your restart the Monday and Tuesday after the weekend and the 2 days after the 2 weeks . You get paid for the Guard and Reserve duty , don't you ?

Actually, LogsRus has posted this question during an audit at her firm. It was checked out and they advised her that when they are on duty at the National Guard, it can be logged as off duty with no problem.

You can search her posts on it.
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Had a question on logs I am in the Natl. Guard some of the guys that are in my unit also drive big trucks. We was debating HOS I replyed that we are to log our drill time as on duty not driving because we are getting paid is this not right? They are telling me that we dont have to cause it has nothing to do with transportation
You do not have to log it as on-duty. You will need to submit a log sheet to your employer for the days you are doing National Guard duties though. You have to submit a log for every day you are employeed regardless of what you are doing.
This is the question & Answer from the Federal DOT book regarding your question.
Now if you are driving a truck for the National Guards this would be up to the guard unit if they need a log book and I am sure they will tell you. l.o.l.

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Question 28: How should time spent at National Guard meetings and training sessions be recorded for the hours-of-service requirements?

Guidance: A member of a military reserve component, serving in either an inactive duty status, such as weekend drills, or in an active duty status, such as annual training, may log that time as "off-duty time" regardless of whether such duty time is paid or unpaid. This is consistent with the rights and benefit entitlements provided in the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (38 U.S.C. 4301 et seq.)
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Actually, LogsRus has posted this question during an audit at her firm. It was checked out and they advised her that when they are on duty at the National Guard, it can be logged as off duty with no problem.

You can search her posts on it.
I reposted it, good memory!
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To comply with HOS you take your restart the Monday and Tuesday after the weekend and the 2 days after the 2 weeks . You get paid for the Guard and Reserve duty , don't you ?
Pay doesn't always justify if you have to log it or not.
I can pay you to be at home waiting on a dispatch if I want or detention time you could be in the sleeper and I might pay you. Pay doesn't ALWAYS justify logging. See DOT's answer to being compensated.
Many drivers lose line 4 time not understanding the regulations so I want to make sure this is clear "as always" l.o.l.
Best advice I can give a driver is utilize your time regardless. Anytime you can legally go to the sleeper and actually go to the sleeper log sleeper. If you can't go to the sleeper and you have to work you must log line 4 for that time frame.

DOT does not just look # fuel stops, they look at everything you submit in with your trips/paper work. Anyone that says just make sure fuel and deliveries match are setting you up for failure!

I know I got off subject a little sorry but wanted to make sure on-duty/paid doesn't get confused with logging.

Question 10: How does compensation relate to on-duty time?

Guidance: The fact that a driver is paid for a period of time does not always establish that the driver was on-duty for the purposes of part 395 during that period of time. A driver may be relieved of duty under certain conditions and still be paid.
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