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Moses · **^ Top** #1 4 Weeks Ago

May be a dumb question, but here goes.

Let's say I'm coming home under load. My plan is to drop the trailer off at a secure location and bobtail home. Let's say I'm at 10.5 for the day, 69.5 for the week when I pull into the drop site.

Once the trailer is unhooked, can I go to line 1, or do I wait until I arrive at home to do that? It would suck running out of hours while I unhook the trailer and have to wait 10 hours to drive home...

danc694u · **^ Top** #2 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Moses

May be a dumb question, but here goes.

Let's say I'm coming home under load. My plan is to drop the trailer off at a secure location and bobtail home. Let's say I'm at 10.5 for the day, 69.5 for the week when I pull into the drop site.

Once the trailer is unhooked, can I go to line 1, or do I wait until I arrive at home to do that? It would suck running out of hours while I unhook the trailer and have to wait 10 hours to drive home...

Certian provisions allow for you to log it on line 4. If your company has released you from duty, and allows you to bobtail home. IE use the truck as a personal vehicle. You can log line 4.

LogsRus can explain this better than I have. But, that's pretty much the short and skinny of it.

LogsRus · **^ Top** #3 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danc694u

Certian provisions allow for you to log it on line 4. If your company has released you from duty, and allows you to bobtail home. IE use the truck as a personal vehicle. You can log line 4.

LogsRus can explain this better than I have. But, that's pretty much the short and skinny of it.

Actually most companies would allow you to log it as off duty.

Now everyone this is the one question "I think one" that I really don't like answering.

THe book is very vague about it. Technically you can bobtail home from the terminal to home. I don't believe you can bob tail from customer to home, however some drivers have and DOT pulled them over and it was no problem. THat's iffy though I would try really hard to avoid it.

See if Canada they state you have 46 miles to use the truck for personal use, however USA just states within reasonable. Well 200 miles might be reasonable to me,, howver not reasonable to the jurty determining murder charges because you was in an accident and they found you to be over your hours of service. I would try to refrain however if it's 7-15 miles down the road I would log it as off duty or even on-duty is fine. You cna be on line 4 passed your 70 hour

RedBeard · **^ Top** #4 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by LogsRus

See if Canada they state you have 46 miles to use the truck for personal use, however USA just states within reasonable. Well 200 miles might be reasonable to me,, however not reasonable to the jury determining murder charges because you was in an accident and they found you to be over your hours of service. I would try to refrain however if it's 7-15 miles down the road I would log it as off duty or even on-duty is fine. You can be on line 4 passed your 70 hour

I deadheaded home yesterday from Cullman, AL. Dropped my trailer at a secure location in Chattanooga and bobtailed about 5 miles home to Rossville, GA. I logged the ride from Cullman to Chattanooga on Line 3, then 15 minutes on Line 4 for the drop, went to Line 1, and flagged that 15 minutes on Line 4 as "Chattanooga, TN - PT, Drop, Bobtail home to Rossville, GA."

Sound reasonable?

witchwaywest · **^ Top** #5 4 Weeks Ago

Moses,
Log it as driving time.You are still driving a CMV.Although the truck may be considered ,in some court cases that I have seen, to have been used for personal use, it doesn't release your company from liabilty if you were to have an accident.If you do indeed have an accident and your logs stated you were off duty,the liability and criminal issues might be on your shoulders along with your company.Under FMCSA guidelines your company must have insurance even while bobtailing.FMCSA doesn't distinguish between personal use and commercial use,only the vehicles GVWR.Your tractor falls under FMCSA as a CMV.Log it driving.Your company may say to you don't worry about it but they will be the first ones to disown you when it comes to court.

danc694u · **^ Top** #6 4 Weeks Ago

I don't want to start a pissin contest here. But that same FMCSA covers this in the book. He can log line 4 and be safe. Even in the event of an accident.

Now if he's 150 miles from his house. It's not "reasonable" distance IMO

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Originally Posted by witchwaywest

Moses,
Log it as driving time.You are still driving a CMV.Although the truck may be considered ,in some court cases that I have seen, to have been used for personal use, it doesn't release your company from liabilty if you were to have an accident.If you do indeed have an accident and your logs stated you were off duty,the liability and criminal issues might be on your shoulders along with your company.Under FMCSA guidelines your company must have insurance even while bobtailing.FMCSA doesn't distinguish between personal use and commercial use,only the vehicles GVWR.Your tractor falls under FMCSA as a CMV.Log it driving.Your company may say to you don't worry about it but they will be the first ones to disown you when it comes to court.

witchwaywest · **^ Top** #7 4 Weeks Ago

DANC694U,The pissing contest has to wait.The only time I had a pissing contest was when there was snow on the ground and trying to write my name.Fmcsa rule 395.2.Scroll down."Driving time means all time spent at the controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation".By the weight of the tractor he or she is operating a CMV.I am wrong?

sidewinder429 · **^ Top** #8 4 Weeks Ago

The passage in the FMCSR's states that it is for running around to local shops and resturants. And it also covers some on reporting to the same work location every day. You can log line 1 to go home but then if dispatched from the house you must log line 3 from the house on out the important thing is though that the remarks section of the log must say that is what you are doing at the time you are doing it. I work for a company that does allow this, however they do require that you do not do this beyond the 11/14/70. And the reason for that is not D.O.T. but the hungry lawyers who would use your time over your 11/14/70 doing this to show fatigue. And that is latley the biggest reason for the high dollar amounts in such cases of truck accidents.

danc694u · **^ Top** #9 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by witchwaywest

DANC694U,The pissing contest has to wait.The only time I had a pissing contest was when there was snow on the ground and trying to write my name.Fmcsa rule 395.2.Scroll down."Driving time means all time spent at the controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation".By the weight of the tractor he or she is operating a CMV.I am wrong?

Technically no. As a matter of ruling and regulation within this subject. Yes.

If a driver is relieved of duty, he can travel to a hotel or home on Line 4, within a reasonable distance.

And just to rub a bit of salt in that wound. "Technically" I'm not required to come off of line 4 at any time during the day. So long as I stay within the same city limits making my deliveries.

sidewinder429 · **^ Top** #10 4 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by danc694u

Technically no. As a matter of ruling and regulation within this subject. Yes.

If a driver is relieved of duty, he can travel to a hotel or home on Line 4, within a reasonable distance.

And just to rub a bit of salt in that wound. "Technically" I'm not required to come off of line 4 at any time during the day. So long as I stay within the same city limits making my deliveries.

Short distances in the same city! And who would not want to get off that line 4 as soon as they can anyway.?.

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