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Old 02.07.2009
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^^^^ I think I figured out my mistake here. This little logging utility was right after all but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

So, if I log like so:



Can I begin my next 14hr block at 11:15?
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^^^^ I think I figured out my mistake here. This little logging utility was right after all but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

So, if I log like so:



Can I begin my next 14hr block at 11:15?
Actually... no. The 8-hour break of the split must be done on line 2 in the sleeper. As logged, you'd have to stay off duty until 0200 the next day when your 14-hour clock would resume. If the 8-hour break was on line 2, then yes, it would be legal to start it at 1115. Keep in mind that in this example the 2-hour break is far enough back that you'd have to take another 2-hour break at 0115 to remain legal.
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I had a question about this. I have been doing it for a week or too and it has been helping me a lot with this slow freight. My question is can you keep split breaking day after day as without ever taking a 10hr? I had a couple days I logged like this: came off a fresh 10 and drove 4, took 2 getting loaded. Drove 5 more and took my 8. then I drove 5.5 and took my 2 getting loaded again and drove 3. Then I took my 8 getting loaded and I don't remember past that. As long as it kept working out I could just keep running like that forever right?
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Actually... no. The 8-hour break of the split must be done on line 2 in the sleeper. As logged, you'd have to stay off duty until 0200 the next day when your 14-hour clock would resume. If the 8-hour break was on line 2, then yes, it would be legal to start it at 1115. Keep in mind that in this example the 2-hour break is far enough back that you'd have to take another 2-hour break at 0115 to remain legal.


Why would he need to take "another" 2 hour break? The 2 hour break would work with the 8 hour break he had.

Had it been in the sleeper (only mistake here I see) you would count over 22 hours from 11:15 am. So that would be 9:15 am the following day is when his 14 hour would be up. He could not drive more than 11 hours from 11:15 am to 9:15 am, he already used 4.75 so he would only have 6.75 hours to drive from 12:00 am to 9:15 am.

Remeber if you are coming off your 8 hour break go to the 8 or 10 hour break and count over 22 hours. That's when your 14 hour ends. The driving time in between the 8 & 2 minus 11= how many hours you have available to drive.
Your original 14 hour ended at 5:30 pm. You did not drive past 5:30 pm and you did not drive over 11 hours. You can take an 8 hour SLEEPER break instead of 10.

The 8 & 2 hour break always clears out the working time prior to the first break. So once you completed the 8 hour break it cleared all working time from 3:30 am to 9:15 am that day (day 1)
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I'm pretty sure this is an example of how not to split my sleeper.

Day 1


Day2


Please tell me where or when I went wrong on this log

Nothing is wrong with your 2 day split log. ITS PERFECTLY DONE! If it's legal that is
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The 8 & 2 hour break always clears out the working time prior to the first break. So once you completed the 8 hour break it cleared all working time from 3:30 am to 9:15 am that day (day 1)
THANKS LOGS!!!! That's from a little logging program I've been fiddling with.

I think I get it now however, I guess if I split on day one I'll have to keep on splitting until I take another full 10hr break. And that would actually make things less productive I reckon... it only seems worth doing if I know that the day after I'll only have a few hours of driving.

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I'm pretty sure this is an example of how not to split my sleeper.

Day 1


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Please tell me where or when I went wrong on this log
See below.

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Last edited by Mike_MD; 02.28.2009 at 05.33 PM.. Reason: Miscalculation
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Dear LogsRus (or anyone),

I have a question about my logs. I need to know if I am splitting my sleeper correctly:





So, what I'm trying to figure out is how many driving hours do I have on day 2? If I understand correctly- I counted 22 hours past the end of my 2hr break on day 1 and calculated that my driving time for day 2 ended at 12:noon. Then... what do I need after that point to continue driving? Will a 2hr break at noon on day 2 let me drive at least 2 more hours?

I feel like my head is going to explode trying to figure all of this out!
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On day two at 12:00 PM (noon) you have 16 hours on-duty (2 hours SB + 5.5 driving + .25 on-duty + 8.25 driving.) The two hours then move the 14 hour clock up to 3:30 AM on day two.

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(g) Sleeper berths. (1) Property-carrying commercial motor vehicle.— (i) In General. A driver who operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle equipped with a sleeper berth, as defined in [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. and [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Truck Forum Link. of this subchapter,

(g)(1)(i)(A) Must, before driving, accumulate
(1) At least 10 consecutive hours off duty;
(2) At least 10 consecutive hours of sleeper-berth time;
(3) A combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours; or
(4) The equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty if the driver does not comply with paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1), (2), or (3) of this section;

(g)(1)(i)(B) May not drive more than 11 hours following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1) through (4) of this section; and

(g)(1)(i)(C) May not drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)
(i)(A)(1)–(4) of this section; and

(g)(1)(i)(D) Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour limit any sleeper berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours.

(g)(1)(ii) Specific requirements.— The following rules apply in determining compliance with paragraph (g)(1)(i) of this section:

(g)(1)(ii)(A) The term “equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty” means a period of
(1) At least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, and
(2) A separate period of at least 2 but less than 10 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth or off duty, or any combination thereof.

(g)(1)(ii)(B) Calculation of the 11-hour driving limit includes all driving time; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.

(g)(1)(ii)(C) Calculation of the 14-hour limit includes all time except any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.
IOW, the eight hours does not count toward the 14; however, the 2 hour break does.

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^^^^ So was it right?

Would it be a good rule of thumb to just say that I can't have more than 13.75 hours of driving time within any 24 window?

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Did someone say other wise?

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Nope. Just taking this little logging program for a test spin and thought it could have been wrong. It's been spot on so far, it's just helping me explore and understand this issue more. I was still scratching my head at that point. I'm learning to trust technology but not depend on it fully
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^^^^ So was it right?

Would it be a good rule of thumb to just say that I can't have more than 13.75 hours of driving time within any 24 window?
It is safe to say you cannot have more than 11 hours of driving time without a 10 hour break or an appropriate 8 Sleeper Berth + 2 hour break for a split break.

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