Originally Posted by Eastbound&Down

Can anyone tell me if the 11/14 hour rule still apply when your running IFTA and not a log. I'm getting two different stories.

Depends on if you go over 100 miles or out of state.
Roadmedic is probably right.
Under 100 air mile radius does not need a logbook.
And you must have a record of punching in and out from work someplace if you don't have a log.

100 Air-Mile Radius Provision

§ 395.1(e)(1)?

The 100 air-mile radius exception in Part § 395.1(e)(1) is an option to use time records in lieu of RODS on days when the driver meets the conditions of the exception, which are:

• The driver operates within a 100 air-mile ( 115 statute miles) radius of the normal work reporting location, and
• The driver returns to the work reporting location and be released from duty within 12 consecutive hours, and
• The driver maintains time records as specified in the rule, and
• The driver is not covered by the "non-CDL 150 air-mile radius" provision.

If you drive interstate, you must comply:

Who must comply with the Hours-of-Service Regulations?
Most drivers must follow the HOS Regulations if they drive a commercial motor vehicle, or CMV.
In general, a CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business and is involved in interstate commerce and fits any of these descriptions:

• Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
• Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
• Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
• Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
• A vehicle that is involved in Interstate or intrastate commerce and is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards is also considered a CMV.

Originally Posted by Slim Pickens

So if I drove 9 hours and was loading and unloading for 5 hours.......totaling 14 hours I have to take a full 10 hour break? I wouldn't be able to use 8 hour break to start again? Is this correct?

Yes and No.
You can be on duty not driving PAST the 14 hour clock, but NOT driving. So, if you start driving and don't sleep, you can't drive past the 14th hour, but you can load/unload.
But if you take an 8 hour sleeper birth, you can drive 2 more hours. That's how I understand it, but I hate splitting it like that.
Here's the reg, see if you can figure it out!

(g) Sleeper berths. (1) Property-carrying commercial motor vehicle.— (i) In General. A driver who operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle equipped with a sleeper berth, as defined in §§395.2 and 393.76 of this subchapter,

• (g)(1)(i)(A) Must, before driving, accumulate

• (1)At least 10 consecutive hours off duty;
• (2) At least 10 consecutive hours of sleeper-berth time;
• (3)A combination of consecutive sleeper-berth and off-duty time amounting to at least 10 hours;
• or
• (4) The equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty if the driver does not comply with paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1), (2), or (3) of this section;
  
  • <the catch here is it must be 'consecutive'>
  
  

• (g)(1)(i)(B) May not drive more than 11 hours following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1) through (4) of this section; and

• (g)(1)(i)(C) May not drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty following one of the 10-hour off-duty periods specified in paragraph (g)(1)(i)(A)(1)–(4) of this section; and

• (g)(1)(i)(D) Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour limit any sleeper berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours.
  
  • <this is the only way to 'stop' the 14 hour clock>
    
  
  

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• (g)(1)(ii) Specific requirements.— The following rules apply in determining compliance with paragraph (g)(1)(i) of this section:

• (g)(1)(ii)(A) The term “equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty” means a period of

• (1) At least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, and
• (2) A separate period of at least 2 but less than 10 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth or off duty, or any combination thereof.

• (g)(1)(ii)(B) Calculation of the 11-hour driving limit includes all driving time; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.

• (g)(1)(ii)(C) Calculation of the 14-hour limit includes all time except any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.

Originally Posted by davenjeip

Here's one that got me a log audit for October...

Say that I drive X number of hours logged and cover however many miles I do during that period. At the end of that I drop my trailer, am relieved of any sort of dispatch, and use the truck for personal conveyance to either run personal errands or go home.

At the end of that day I need to record my miles driven on my log.

Do I just record the number of miles I traveled while logged as driving or the total amount of miles I traveled both logged and personal?

I say that it should be total miles, but my company says it needs to be just the logged miles. Hasn't come up since my audit, but in the future I will show both mileages on my log just to cover myself, no matter what the actual rules say.

Just curious as to what correct regulations are for this

It's simple, the miles in your logbook are the miles you drove while logged in as on duty driving. When you're off duty using your truck for personal use, nobody cares if you drive 1,000 miles a day! (Example: You drive 700 miles and log 10 hours driving, then go off duty and drive 100 miles home. If you logged that, it would look like you drove 800 miles at an average of 80MPH! That is impossible to do legally.) Don't write the total of both in your log or you'll be in trouble when the DOT checks your log. If, for some strange reason, your company wants to know how many miles you drive off duty, write it in a separate note book and be sure to note that you were off duty in case someone finds the note book and questions you log.

Originally Posted by ironpony

How about the FMCSA only will "announce" the new rules - and they're late at doing that. There will be a public comment period before the finalized rules are put into place. I believe the date for that was October 2011, although I may be wrong about that.

I was beginning to thing they gave up on the idea of changing the rules again.