Hours of service questions and answers

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The 8 hours will not extend the 14 hour clock unless you take the 2 hour break, then it will--actually according to the rules, you cannot drive after the 14th hour, you can work and be on duty as many hours as you have to be in order to complete whatever you are doing but you just cant drive until taking a full 10 hours off. Here:
G-3. How does a driver who is utilizing the sleeper berth provision calculate his or her compliance with the 14-hour rule?

A sleeper-berth period of at least 8 consecutive hours is excluded from calculation of the 14-hour limitation. All other sleeper berth periods are included in the 14-hour calculation (unless part of a sleeper-berth/off-duty combination of 10 or more consecutive hours

 

I hope you are not trying to suggest that a driver cannot drive after the "original" 14-hour period ends if s/he chooses to utilize the eight-hour sleeper berth portion of the split-break, thus "extending" the original 14-hour period by said eight hours?

To wit: Driver starts at 08:00, thus their 14-hours ends at 22:00. However, they choose to take eight-hours in the sleeper berth at 18:00, thus their 14-hours does not expire until 06:00 the second day. So long as the driver still has any portion of the allowed 11-hours driving still available, they may drive past 22:00 on the first day. Of course the driver must take the remaining two-hours of their 10-hour rest period no later than 06:00 of the second day. Then their 14/11 starts all over.

 

Your scenario is wrong acording to the rules. You have to utilize the 2 hour break or your scenario does not work read the rule. The rules say that you can WORK, but NOT drive after the 14th hour. and you cannot drive after driving 11 hours unless you have a FULL 10 hour break and that includes the 2 hour part. I didnt make the rules up DOT did. The only change that they have made is the 2 hour part, if you dont utilize that, then you cannot extend the clock. You also must have NO violations from the previous weeks logs in order to get by with this, and you must utilize a 34 hour break in order to utilize this and cannot carry your hours over into the next week. Last time I checked 8:00 one day to 6:00 the next was 22 hours-how can you get a full 14 hours in that and a 10 hour break? You cant, thus your scenario doesnt work, because you would be driving after the 14 th hour, rules say you can work, but not drive. You can extend your work shift the way you proposed, but you could not drive.

 

As in the "34 rest" thread ... you couldn't be more wrong. You may not be making up the rules, but you sure have a funny way of reading them.

The two hours does not extend the 14 hours, the eight hours does. As you will notice, I indicated taking the two hours, beginning no later than 06:00 the following day. As the 14 hours is "extended", so is the 11 (assuming the driver hasn't already driven 11 hours). There is no adding of time, only moving the clock.

The 14 hours only applys to the time within which your 11 hours of driving must occur. You can work as many hours as you like ... 40 hours straight for all the FMCSA cares (so long as you get your 10 hours rest before driving again, assuming you've still got some of your 70 hours available too ) Which then leads into the question of; if the split (which I have been informed is no longer the correct term, but it's a lot easier to use) only extends the 14, but not the 11 then it would be a superfluous provision and comletely unnecessary.

There is no requirement to utilize a 34-hour reset before utilizing the split-break.

Did you even read the document posted in the OP? If you had, you wouldn't have posted what you did.

 

We just went through this scenario with a driver at our company, and I just was relaying the info that he was told that got him a $850 ticket that the company fought and lost. And the company was told that they key to this IS NOT DRIVING after hour 14, He could have worked for ever, but not drive without the full 10 Hours. BTW, I am not wrong on the 34 either, just because psanderson doesnt see it that way, does not mean that states dont--facts of the matter are how many times will you get stopped by Federal DOT? I have never even seen a federal DOT car, but I see a lot of state ones and this and that is how they are seeing the 34 hour break, you honestly think that I would be relaying it that way if I didnt have any experience personally with it. Well $478 in NY state says I do.

 

Whatever experience you got (or heard about), you weren't paying attention to what the fine was actually for, or the circumstances surrounding it.