CDL or NO CDL
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by tmlonghorns, Jul 17, 2009.
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OOIDA and a bunch of other anti-trucker groups are pushing for harder and more stringent driver training. They are talking about 250 hours as a second seat driver before you can even take the CDL driving test. The CDL permit system will stay the same,, just going to a lot harder to get a CDL.
ATA is very much opposed to this. It will leave all the training on the companies.
Mark -
CT would req that you have a CDL only based on the type of vehicle you are operating.
The exemption of personal use is that of FMSR's No DOT #'s, No Logs, etc etc etc .
If you operate a dump truck for personal use, you would need a "B". If attaching a 10K trailer you would need an "A" -
Something needs to change! There are so many unqualified drivers (steering wheel holders) out there that have no business in the cab of a truck and these companies that train just keep enticing idiots to leave their dead end job at Burger King so they can get a deadend job at (enter name of company here).
The industry is a mess for anyone that wants to drive a company truck these days.
I believe that these companies that focus on training and are making big bucks with their schools and underpaid trainee drivers have a vested intrest in getting rid of drivers that don't need the training anymore.
I think that could be a motivating factor in the tendency to trash peoples DAC reports as possibly a means to get them out and make room for more idiots to take their place and fill the schools and cheapassed driver jobs.
It's a theory that keeps bouncing around in my mind whenever I hear about some poor douchebag that can't get work because his DAC is trashed! -
OOIDA is apposed to pay by the hours, OBR's, and other things.
Look, they are for the independent and small truckers, that is their major support group.
Mark -
How about citing your source of information or your qualifications?
The IRS has already determined for me that what I do with my horses is not a business. So when I move horses it is not in the act of anything associated with commercial activity.
I don't want to get the CDL right now because I don't have the time. Plus, I am moving from Michigan to Ohio. I currently still reside in Michigan and Michigan CDL law requires that you do not have any plans of moving out of state when applying for the CDL. Plus, if I don't need one why would I go through the hassle of getting one? -
IOW, if you move horses from one pasture to another for the business you need a CDL.
If you advertise your business while at the horse show it's business and requires a CDL and US DOT number as a private not for hire operation.
If you paid an entry fee for the show and could possibly win prize money it's commerce.
Even tax exempt not-for-profit organizations must have CDLs and US DOT numbers when applicable.
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Mike,
I know every situation is different but in mine (and keep in mind this is my forum posting), the IRS has already established for me that this is not a business. I was audited and am no longer able to write any of this off.
I have also talked to 5 Michigan Motor Carrier Officers today and they all indicated that in my situtation I do NOT need a CDL. I also do NOT need a USDOT #. I do have to roll through scales but I do not have to do a pre trip or post trip inspection (they all recommened it but it is NOT required) and I do NOT have to keep a log book. I must have "Private Carrier" or "Not for Hire" on the doors.
This holds true even when I attend horse shows, where yes I pay an entrance fee and the odd occasion where prize $ is available. Keep in mind that unless you are an olympic caliber competitor, the prize $ won't hardly cover the cost of a hot dog and you will not be 1099 for it. -
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Also -- I cannot find any legislation relating to the words "Not for hire" on the doors. I've thought about doing it to make it clear I'm non-commercial, but is there any legal weight behind those words?
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