CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Read the small print on your DVIR and follow the instructions.

    Be safe.
     
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  3. kajidono

    kajidono Road Train Member

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    I don't work for JJ Keller. It's written plainly right on the front. It's very interesting that you do not know that.
     
  4. lostNfound

    lostNfound Road Train Member

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    The DVIR I use (and every one I have ever used) is only check the individual item boxes if there are defects.
     
  5. GuysLady

    GuysLady Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Mike, I just have two questions after reading all this stuff on that website... do all DOT officers have degrees in advanced algebraic expression?? Because for the life of me I cannot figure out just how this math is supposed to work.

    Second, how are drivers now supposed to get DOT to actually HELP them?? My husband very DELIBERATELY pulled into that scale house when the exhaust was leaking into the truck. He pulled into there hoping DOT would FORCE the company to FIX IT. Now you are telling me the driver would get penalized along with the company if they pulled in wanting help to FORCE the company to replace, say, some balding tires???
     
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  6. Rollover the Original

    Rollover the Original Road Train Member

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    My JJ Keller log books for last 2 companies has a check off box that says in BOLD print Condition of vehicles is satisfactory. My really old books from the 90's has the same thing!

    Mike MD Thanks for being as tolerant as you have been! Some people just can't think an officer actually has a brain and just writes tickets for the heck of it! As I've been known to say. "every ticket I ever got I earned!" Even DOT tickets but when I finally GREW UP and quit arguing with the experts and listened I stopped getting DOT tickets! I just had a problem with my lead foot!

    I can say that in the past 10 years the ONLY DOT ticket I've gotten was at the St Clair scales due to a malfunctioned drop arm on the axle! 11 years ago at Banning for 2"over length! That cost $168.00 out of my pocket!
     
  7. soloflyr

    soloflyr Medium Load Member

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    Just based my statement on the fact that you gave 2 different dates that you haven't written tickets since. Either you haven't written a ticket since 1999 in Colorado or since 2007. If you haven't written one since 1999 then there is really no need in stating that you haven't written one since 2007. Unless of course you wrote one in 2007, which would make your 1999 statement pointless.

    I don't doubt you do a fine job in accordance to the laws & regulations. I also know there are some companies & drivers that shouldn't be allowed to look at a truck, much less own or operate them. But I also know that the system can be abused by both sides & would hate to see some good, honest, hard working people put out of work over some silly little details.

    Who's to say that a driver that goes by the book, turns in his/her properly filled out logs, but come audit time the company can't find all these logs, won't lose their ability to drive due to company negligence.

    Yeah I know C-Y-A, keep copies of everything in case you need to prove yourself. But we all know how slow the system works & you could find yourself sitting on the sidelines for quite a while until you could get it resolved.
     
  8. rockee

    rockee Road Train Member

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    Same here.......
     
  9. Brickman

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    Better yet how about the company aka me, not bother with that in my pickup???

    Sounds good to me, as I'm not in commercial trucking any longer. It sure is nice to wave at a chicken house when I roll by in my POV.
     
  10. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy Road Train Member

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    in regards to the check off vs. not.
    JJ Keller will build a form just for you (or your company)
    and if your company wants a check (rather than no check) that's what they can get.
     
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  11. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Nothing has been set in stone, yes the points are established; however, there's no guidance on at what point value the driver/carrier will move from fit to operate to mafginal to unfit to operate.

    Diesel exhaust leaks are not OOS. It's a safety violation but not OOS. If the vehicle was cited for the exhaust leak and the company did not fix the leak there maybe penalties for the violation provided it could be proven the carrier did not fix the leak.

    If the vehicle has known safety defects that are not repaired then the driver pulling the unsafe equipment is equally liable for any points given for the defects. Drivers must learn the OOS defects and refuse to operate equipment with severe safety defects.

    So, yes drivers that fail to properly inspect the vehicle and develop a pattern of equipment defects will eventually reach a score where they may no longer drive.



    If you're missing one day's worth of RODS you must catch the log up for the inspection. You will be cited for no log and any other violation that's discovered. If today is Monday 11/23/2009 and your last entry is Saturday 11/21/2009 you're OOS and must catch your log up to where you are now. Once your log is caught up you will be cited for any other violations discovered.

    I know it's not uncommon for drivers to forget their log at home on the start of a new month and be placed OOS after reportedly coming off a 34 hour reset.

    I can tell you I can think of a 100 different scenarios where a driver could easily gain points for no logs, false logs, and HOS violations all on the same traffic stop.

    I wouldn't recommend playing games you may pick up an extra 10 points in one stop before your log is even looked at.



    Yes, I gave two different dates. I was late and I wasn't focused. My time here is often after a long day and since I don't watch much TV I come here to kill some time. To clarify, I have not written a ticket since I left the employ of the State of Colorado in October 1999.

    There has been no information regarding at what point thresholds drivers/carriers will transend from fit to marginal to unfit; however, I know the drivers/carriers will be sent a notice of violation and advised of their digressions. Drivers/carriers that fail to heed the warnings will move from fit to marginal and if violations continue from marginal to unfit.

    If memory serves me correctly drivers and carriers will be rated based on the number of inspections as compared to other drivers/carriers with the same number of inspections, i.e. drivers with 5 - 8 inspections will be compared to other drivers with 5 - 8 inspections. As the driver/carrier transends from one category to the next the points required will change, i.e. drivers with 5 - 8 inspections require 30 points to move from fit to marginal and driver with 9 - 12 inspections require 45 points to move from fit to marginal. I AM NOT SAYING THESE ARE THE ACTUAL POINTS CATEGORIES, I AM GIVING EXAMPLES.

    From my understanding the scores remain in effect for three years.

    If a driver is fired by carrier "A" for their roadside inspection history on 11/2009, the driver's score stays with carrier "A" for three years. If the driver gets a job with carrier "B" carrier "B" inherits the driver's score for three years.

    I see CSA2010 as being a tool for drivers with clean records to potentially make more money.



    From what I've heard the drivers will earn their points based on roadside inspections. When a compliance review is performed the carrier is cited for all violations discovered. On ocassions drivers maybe prosecuted for severe safety violations, i.e. falsifying an application by failing to list an employer where they tested positive; or driving without a SAP referal, etc.

    Drivers will not gain points for violations discovered during an on-site review.



    For log book violations discovered during roadside inspections it will be difficult to challenge the violation as the driver could have corrected the log after the roadside inspection. Option B is to ask the officer to initial logs they looked at; however, I don't know of many officers willing to write in a driver's log.

    Be safe.
     
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