CSA2010 and log book form and manner violations

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Mike_MD, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. rubbergearsnextyear

    rubbergearsnextyear Heavy Load Member

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    See that's what I was wondering because their logs had no line for this. I know what you mean about no BOL numbers lol. I just pick whatever number seems best to use lol. Usually the places that have a straight up BOL# on their bills are better to deal with then those that don't IMO.

    If there's no designated area on the company logs for this addition, can you just write BOL# xxxxx xxxx anywhere in the remarks or does it have to be a technical way to write it? Syntax/semantics I mean lol.
     
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  3. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    The drivers know how its gonna be. The DOT will deny deny deny in hopes that the under class doesn't figure out the real truth.
     
  4. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    Provided the pro number (dispatch number) can be linked back to the load you're transporting a dispatch number is acceptible.

    Be safe.


     
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  5. Mike_MD

    Mike_MD Medium Load Member

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    How did such a nay sayer become a forum moderator? When I investigate a carrier or driver I approach the situation with an open mind and let the facts present the truth. It sounds to me like Brickman has served as judge, jury and executioner of CSA2010 without looking at all of the facts.

    Fact all of the violations listed in CSA2010 are already on the books and if LEO decided to write a ticket thry could have if they desired.

    Fact DataQ will see a significant increase in challenges as carriers carefully review their roadisde inspections in expectation of CSA2010 taking affect.

    Fact carriers will ramp up their training programs to ensure drivers are aware of the HOS and record keeping requirements to avoid negative roadside inspections.

    There are three things that are inevitable in life; death, taxes and change.

    Start dotting the "i" and crossing the "t" and you have no worries.

    Be safe.
     
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  6. truckerdave1970

    truckerdave1970 On Probation

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    Mike, I dont think you understand our viewpoint on this issue. I think most of us get it! We dont WANT to operate unsafe, overweight, or fatigued anymore than you want us to either! Most of us will agree that there is even a need to remove the "habitual offender" out of the truck and the industry for good as that "unsafe" driver is hurting all of us. MOST of us get that! I think what we are really concerned about is the very real possibilty that a "good" driver can be mis-labeled as being "unfit" for merely making minor paperwork mistakes. It seems to me from what I read of this new system, we can lose our jobs PERMENENTLY for something that REALLY has no effect on safety! I have not seen an appeal process or a way for a "unfit" driver to redeem himself! It seems to us this is just yet another tool for the gov't to prosecute and persecute drivers, steal our hard-earned money, or beat us into giving up our jobs. We are feeling so beat down, over-regulated, under-paid and put upon by everyone from our family, our employers, our customers, and now, our gov't wants 1 more pound of flesh from us! The thought of losing our job FOREVER should scare the hell out of us, I think that is the point of this new system actually. We will conform to the rules or suffer the price, but really? Lose our jobs forever for paperwork? Cant you even see that this is just too #### much??? It's like amputating someone's legs off for JAYWALKING one too many times!!!
    Obviously, you cant do a #### thing to change the reality of this new system anymore than I can. It's going to come and almost 200,000 drivers will be out of their jobs forever!!! But for you to be so staunch in your defense of this plan to terminate a driver's carreer seems rather cold-hearted to me! IT ALMOST SEEMS like law enforcement is enjoying the prospect of FIRING 200,000 DRIVERS, some of whom probably deserve it, but certainly not all of them do.
    Once again, drivers we are being reminded, rather forcefully this time, exactly what our country thinks of us and how much we are worth and respected for the service we provide. We are being shown, again, that we are expendable and easily replaced, worth less than the equipment we operate, worthy of nothing other than fear and distrust, and at any time we can be tossed out like a sack of garbage! Isn't trucking great???
     
  7. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    No,
    Brickman, like many of us REAL drivers have experienced how you LEOs always twist the laws or invent NEW ones in your never-ending quest to separate us from our hard-earned (under)pay.
    Brickman, like many of us REAL drivers have experienced LEOs who are bent on writing tickets for anything.
    Brickman, like many of us REAL drivers know "the score".
     
  8. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Just going on prior experience mr officer sir.
     
  9. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    When are you (DOT) guys going to implement some rules on the people who service trucks? How about having to require that the mechanic being from a certified school? So you (DOT), ever look at how the shop works? Do you ever watch how repairs are done? In the northeast they had a rash of trucks with the brakes that failed, and all they can do is blame the driver, the shop is just as at fault as the driver. I would bet most company shops are not up to snuff, but we know you don't care about that part of it.

    Mark
     
  10. Markk9

    Markk9 "On your mark"

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    Mike are you saying that even though you know the rules are messed up your still going to enforce them?

    That sounds a lot like the German army after WWWII, I was just following the rules.

    Mark
     
  11. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    BINGO!!! If I could thank that post a thousand times, I would.

    I thought for sure I was the only one who saw it for what it is.

    Waste Management pulled the same trick when I lived in Grand Rapids, MI eleven years ago. Roadkill, you're a resident of GR, right? How many choices for curbside trash pickup do you have now? Waste Management... or what... Waste Management? Not as many choices as there were in 1997, I know that.

    WM decided they wanted to be the only game in town... so they helped Grand Rapids council members legislate the little guys out of business.

    I'm all for Capitalism... but Corporatism just plain sucks.
     
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