Advanced logging - Split sleeper berth explained

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Rawlco, Aug 16, 2006.

  1. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Nope! Once you deplete your 14, you cannot extend what no longer exists (The 14 has been all used up) by taking an 8 hr sleeper break. After the 14th hr as you described, you have to take 10.

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  3. CondoCruiser

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    So what's the purpose of a split sleeper to a single driver? It's useless then! No wonder they fudge! :)

    I guess if you worked 6 hours and got sleepy then you could do it after you woke up 8 hrs later.
     
  4. mattbnr

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    here we will clear this up right now. read this page as its the DOT explaining it.

    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/index.htm

    do what it says not the trucker next to you as most of the time the guy next to you don't know what hes doing either and even if he does the DOT is the one writing the ticket if its wrong. so read that page i linked and you will be fine. i read it at least once a week to make sure im running legally.
     
  5. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    The benefit to all drivers supposedly is a greater opportunity to obtain additional rest. The two hr period supposedly benefits us if we want to take a nap, or just get the heck out of the truck and have a little discretionary personal time.

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  6. dibstr

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    Absolutely go to the regs, but the problems aren't in what the regs say or don't say, but rather how one interprets them. Sometimes there is an honest misinterpretation and sometimes there's an to attempt to rationalize one's actions or agenda.

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  7. CondoCruiser

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    Everyone knows what it says. There are just different interpretations by who reads it.

    With phrases like... compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph ...

    What the heck is a period? The end of the first period is the beginning of the 8 hours SB. You don't count sleeper berth with the 14 hour rule. Just time on to time off.
     
  8. scottied67

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    I used to use the split a lot when I first started because I had a hard time driving and driving for long distances and time-- I needed a break, but also because 10 hours seemed like too long of a time to be sitting around waiting to drive again-- as tired as the driving made me, I couldn't wait to get back in the saddle again sooner so I used the split. I refrain from it now because the company wants a pretrip and posttrip at each split break-- plus a 15 minute bathroom break logged beginning and end of 8 hour sleeper berth, so right there I am giving up one hour of the potential two hour gain that a split could provide over a several day period of time. I would only use the split break nowadays to flip my driving clock around to hours I prefer or to prevent being late on a load.
     
  9. CondoCruiser

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    I've used it twice the past year. Our log dept scans and checks each log. I never received any violations for it.

    They need not make things so complicated for the average Joe. If it was cut and dry, not so many would be having problems with it. They have some 15 paragraphs covering such a small subject. If you take a 8 or 10 hour break it shouldn't matter what you done earlier. 8 hours is enough sleep for anyone. Every post I made in here has conflicting answers. It's easier to stay away from it! :)
     
  10. dieselbear

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    You do count line 2(sleeper berth) if the time spent there is less than 8 consecutive hours. The 8 consecutive hours sleeper period, temporarily stops your 14 hour window. When you start back up the 14 hour window does resume.

    For the 14 hour rule, all time on line 3 and 4 (driving and on duty not driving) counts toward the 14 hour rule. All time less than 10 consecutive hours OFF DUTY, count towards the 14 hour clock, and ALL TIME LESS THAN 8 CONSECUTIVE HOURS IN SLEEPER BERTH count toward the 14 hour clock. Simple said, once you start your day, your 14 hour window of opportunity begins. You have 14 hours to get your 11 hours driving completed.
     
  11. CondoCruiser

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    Thanks diesel bear. That's what I thought. So stay off the dock and you can use split sleeper to your advantage. Usually if you are trying to complete a trip, you won't have wasted time on the dock prior. Most of the time would be driving time. At least for me as I do long haul.

    That means if you drove 8 hours, you must not have over 3 hours on duty not driving in that period to take a 8 hour break to complete 3 hours driving. Then you must go back in the sleeper for 2. But coming out of the 8 SB you'll have to do a pretrip and check in with the customer which will limit that 3 hours remaining to about 2 hours left to drive.

    So the answer I was seeking is group all 14 hrs even across the 8 SB to start split sleeper. Gotcha! :)

    And the answer to post 62 is NO he can't complete trip or he would be in violation. He had to take a 10 hour break.
     
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