Advanced logging - Split sleeper berth explained

If anyone is on, I need help figuring out a split sleeper.

After a 10 hour break, I went on duty at 11:30am, fueled, delivered and went to pick up at a customer, I got to this customer at 12:45pm, was there for 8 hours.
So I took an 8 hour break between 12:45pm-8:45pm, did 15min PTI and drove from 9pm - 3am.

So if I took a 2 hour break, I could finish my 11 hours, and must stop driving at 10:45am? Or after the 2 hour break, I have a whole new 11/14? Or what if I sleep longer than 2 more hours, say I sleep 6 hours.

If I'm going to sleep from 3am for 6 hours, since the 6 hour sleeper break is at least 2 hours, after sleeping for 6 hours, when I get up I will have a whole new 11/14? Or does my clock end at 10:45am regardless of how long a break a take, unless it is 10 hours long?

Thanks

 

If I remember right the 8 hour break is the only way to restart the 14. And that's when its at the end of the day. You can drive the hrs you drive before the 1st break as long as you don't go over your 14. And a straight 10 hour break is only way to break the cycle.

 

So, you went on-duty and started driving from 1130 to 1245 (no PTI) leaving you 12.75 on your 14, and 9,75 on your 11. Take an 8 hr sleeper berth break (all must be logged on line 2) ending at 2045, and went on-duty for 15 minutes for a PTI ending at 2100 - 12.5 hours remaining on your 14 and 9.75 on your 11.

You go to line 3 and drive for 6 hours - at this point (0300) you have 6.5 hours on your 14 and 3.75 on your 11. You can...

- Continue for 3.75 hrs and start a 10-hour break commencing at 0645, and be ready to go at 1645.

- Do a 2-hour break (good time for a nap) on either line 1 or 2. At that point your 14 and 11 would be starting at the end of the 8-hour break at 2045. At the end of the 2-hour break (0500) you'd have 5.75 hours remaining on your 14 (14 - 15 minute PTI - 6 hours driving - 2 hours break) and 5 hours to drive on your 11. You'd have to stop at 1000. Your available drive time limits when you must stop if you start driving again at 0500.

If you sleep longer than 2 hours, it will still count as the short break on an 8/2 split, but you decrease the time available to be on-duty on your 14-hour clock. That does nothing to your 11-hour clock. If you slept until 0900 (6 hours) you'd have to stop at 1045.

If you sleep for 6 hours starting at 0300, you may as well just stay off duty for a full 10 hour break. If you got rolling again at 0500 (after a 2-hour break) and ran until 1000 you could take an 8-hour break (ends at 1800) at that point you'd have 9 hours to run on your 14, but 6 hours to drive on your 11. That's because you've burned 5 hours on your 14 and 11 (driving from 0500 to 1000,) and the 8-hour break doesn't count against your 14.

Clear as mud eh? A different way of looking at it is that an 8-hour break never counts against your 14. You may never drive more than 11-hours total counting the drive time on both sides of an 8. The 14 and 11-hour clocks are reset at the end of the oldest break used in calculating the 8/2 split. In the case of the 8-hour break you took at the customer, followed by the break at 0300, your 11 and 14 begin at 2045 (end of the 8-hour break.)

 

Ok, so it's almost 11:15, which means that another 8 hour break is almost up.

My boss is telling me that even if I took a 2 hour break, I'd be good to go at 5am and that I'd have a complete fresh 11/14. I'm guessing you're saying that's incorrect? What if instead of a 2 hour break, I take another 8 hour break?
You're saying that I can drive 5 hours to finish out the 11/14, since this 8 hour break pauses my 14hr clock, and then take a 2 hour break, and then what? Will I have another 6 hours to run?

Or is my boss right in that since I took at least a 2 hour break, I finished my 10 hours of breaks so then I am good to go for another 11/14

 

Always remember that when you are doing a split break your 11/14 starts at the end of your previous break. You don't get a new 11/14 at any time while split breaking, you get what is left starting at the end of the previous break. An example, after an 8 hour break, you get up with what you had when you started the break. no extra time, just later in the day. When you take the next break (2 hours) you end the break with an 11/14 that started at the end of your 8 hour break. This continues until you take a full 10 hour break.

 

As a solo driver, you shouldn't be doing split sleeper but on a rare occasion. If your boss is running you like that frequently, he is a poor load planner.

You must have 10 hours break going into split sleeper and 10 hours break coming out of the split sleeper. Everything inside the split sleeper rolls.

Let's say you split sleeper for two days and follow the 8-2 break rule. You should be able to group any two drive times and they equal 11 or less, any ODD/ODND times and don't bust your 14. You should be able to group any two rest periods and they equal 10. Grab any two, group left, group right, it doesn't matter. That should give you an easier perspective what you have available.

 

Didn't know that,

I see alot of single drivers using the split sleeper.....

 

Rare occasion? How about as rare as when you are dealing with delays or shippers and receivers. Any time you are in one of those situations for any length of time is a good time to be considering what a split break will do for you.

As far as the boss is concerned, he shouldn't have any part of TELLING you how to run your hours. PERIOD!

 

The driving time after your 8 hr break is still counting towards your 11 hours.
Here is the simpliest way to calculate split breaking

If I am coming off an
8 hr SLEEPER break: I (It must be in the sleeper, every minute of it)
I go to the END of the previous 2 or 10 hour break, count over 22 hours (if you only got 8 hrs in the sleeper), that's when my 14 hour break will end.
2 hr "break" (combination of off duty/sleeper is fine), go to the end of my previous 8 hr break or 10 hr break, count over 14 hours, that's when my 14 hour clock will end.

Remember you can not DRIVE past your 14 hour clock/mark (make a mark on your log about the clock marks)

Now driving time, is simple:
Add up the driving time in the MIDDLE of the 8 & 2 hour break, subtract that from 11. I am not clear on how many hours you "drove".. Here is what the focus is on split break.
#1What time you started your day
#2 how many hours you have "consecutive breaks" making sure the 8 is in the SLEEPER.
#3, how many hours you have DROVE

On-duty doesn't matter to me/you, once you have started your day.

Go to regulations, there should be a sticky on split breaking some where..
But the steps above, keep you in compliance.
However when I say if you are coming off an 8 hr break, go to te end and count over 22 hrs. If you have
8.25 you count over 22.25
8.50 you count over 22.50
8.75 you count over 22.75

It's very very simple to split break trust me...
I hope this helps.If you hurry and respond and tell me how many hours you drove "after" the 8 hr break and "prior" to the 6 hr break, I can't tell you how many hours you can drive.

also:
Your 14 hour is going to end tomorrow @ 6:45 pm.

Count 22 hours from the end of your 8 hour break (you said you took it from 12:45 pm to 8:45 pm) 8:45 pm, 22 hours later is "6:45 pm, the following day (right?) I hope I am right l.o.l. I just do 24 hours later, minus 2.. Makes it easier to count