Why are drivers conned by lease purchase

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  1. cpape

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    Didn't your daddy ever tell you, "you don't get something for nothing"? Lease purchases are a bad deal. You WILL go broke...OK now the 20 L/O in the country making money send me a message about how I am generalizing. Work as a company driver, save your money, get your own financing...that is how one becomes an independent contractor. If you company has too much control you are not an independent contractor. Do your due dilligence. Talk to other ICs at your company. Do they make money? That is what it is all about. We pay our ICs 68% on all loads. This is a lower % than almost any of my competitors. Guess who has 0% turnover amoungst Ind Cont. 68% of a good rate is more than 75% of a cheap one. Oh yeah, we offer them good loads with low deadhead miles. They make $$$ working for us. The only negative is I am your boss. So if you want to work for a guy who knows it all, give me a call.
     
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  3. Krooser

    Krooser Road Train Member

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    These drivers always figure that THEY would be the one's to make it work...eternal optimists, I guess.
     
  4. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    I wonder where I have heard this line before....oh I remember....every counter at every truck stop between CA and ME....don't forget every recruiter with a line for every driver!

    Just exactly which driver doesn't think he knows it all anyway?!!!!
     
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  5. BIG RIGGER

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    He is not the driver but the con er recruiter if I'm wrong.
     
  6. cpape

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    I probably shouldn't have included the information about my Ind Contractors. I just got a little carried away. The original intent of the post was to help me understand why drivers get so starry eyed over lease purchases. I think it is a license to steal or a return of indentured servitude. Is the idea of "owning" a truck that attractive? Most lease purchase equipment is the same as what a company driver operates. It's not like they are putting you in a W9. I don't think I have ever heard of a driver who goes from lease purchase to successful Ind Contractor. Usually, jumping from lease purchase to lease purchase.
     
  7. chompi

    chompi Road Train Member

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    I leased a W9! Not that I condone lease purchase. I do agree with you. My wife and I teamed and found the lease worked for us to start out. As a single driver there is no way I would do it! Too many things can go wrong and there just isn't enough margin for error. However in general most people are like fish and if you dangle something shiny in front of them they will go for it, no matter what the consequence. You can talk till you are blue in the face but when these companies just give anybody a brand new truck and you don't have to pay anything up front, a lot of people are going to fall for it. These companies know what they are doing and make lots of money! That is why they don't want to own the trucks!!!!
     
  8. Emulsified

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    I certainly can't speak for everyone, however I can understand why SOME try the lease program. If you have no independent business experience and you want to try it out, a lease program with an OUT can do that for you. It allows you to try the independent route and opt out if it doesn't fit your needs.
    I've done them all. I've leased (but not from a company), I've owned...been a true O/O for 18 years and I've been a company driver.
    There's an advantage to all of them and it often depends on what the driver is looking for.
    I will say that if you lease from your trucking company and find out it works well for you, look at terminating the lease and purchasing your own truck, then leasing yourself to that company. Often there will be a better return since your purchase payments will be less than your 'lease' payments.
    As an example, a typical lease payment from a company (before insurance) runs around $550 per week. You can often purchase a used truck with 400,000 miles on it for under $30,000, and end up with a monthly payment of around$1,100 over three years. But if you don't know the business or if you don't know if you really want to be independent, a lease may be a good way to test the water.
    But that lease has to have an out clause that allows you to walk away at ANY time with a preset penalty. That penalty should not exceed one week's payment.
    Going out and buying a truck, then finding out it isn't for you leaves you with a truck to sell and that could be a lot worse loss than that lease termination penalty.
    But again, the lease has to be written right. There are a lot of them out there that will scalp your hide, then bury you afterward. Be careful.
     
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  9. dannyb1212000

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    Not all Lease purchase programs are scams in my opinion, but so many are its best not to purchase a truck that way. Instead of doing something that will destroy your credit and enslave you for years drive company and repair your credit score. Call it bait and switch or plain dishonesty but the majority of these programs are set up with the max amount of profit the company could hope to make on a unit taken right off the top on rates plus then the driver pays twice the amount for the truck then what it's worth. That's the reason they love to do it. It's a way of giving the driver the feel of control/owning their own biz but it's more like a mother laying out three outfits for a toddler and then telling him to choose like a big boy when if fact she already knows and approves of the outcome but to keep the child from throwing a temper tantrum because the clothes suck she uses this tool of control. You can't move that truck to work for another place and that is the first thing you should never do in transportation.

    I will be buying another truck in Jan of 2011. I dinked my credit score up a few years back and had to pull it up, currently a 650 and getting better monthly. I will have $8-10,000 to pay down. I will keep my payment under $800 monthly. The company I want to lease to pays 100% of fuel surcharge plus Divers get the fleet fuel discounts. I am a decent mechanic and will do most work myself. I think the reason most sign those horrid flease programs is because their credit is not good enough to buy from a bank and they can't work on equipment.
     
  10. cpape

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    If you have no idependent business experience, buying a truck is highly questionable. I don't think that one should "try it out." In my opinion, one should only consider purchasing a truck if they have had success as a company driver, are financially stable (with some money saved), and have good reason to believe they will be financially more successful as an Ind Cont. Believe it or not, at the end of the day there a lot of company jobs that will pay you just as well with no risk, and when you get home you don't have to service the truck. Some mechanical experience wouldn't hurt either...that large car is now your business; best know what it takes to keep it running. The last reason one should enter a lease purchase is because they have bad credit. There is a reason you have bad credit. You would be better off to work hard as a company driver, repair your credit, save some money, and make a plan to buy that truck in the future. If you want to get ahead, you should pay off that 400K mile truck in a year so you have another year to save some money for a down payment on your next truck. Don't set up your payments for 3 years. Its worn out and you haven't saved anything for your next truck. You should be paying yourself like a company driver and putting everything else in the truck account. I think there are too many out there that steal the cash flow out of their truck. Then if anything happens (injury, economic slowdown, fender bender, etc.) you have no reserves. In a business of tight margins, like trucking, one needs to be disciplined to succeed.
     
  11. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Most of what you say is fairly accurate...however i disagree with the part about if one is in credit problem zone...the no down/lease from a large company (in some...not all cases) can help get over the credit hurdle. However, some basic business savvy would help, and one can learn from a lease/purchase how to handle finances regarding the truck/business. Most that get involved in the lease/op thing, are there to get a bigger paycheck, and with the bigger paycheck comes responsibility...taxes, maintenance, bookkeeping, budgeting...and the list goes on. Most get too comfortable with the bigger weekly check and take an attitude that the big checks will be a regular thing...go crazy with other toys for their new big toy, and the tax issue is what usually gets the new lease/op in trouble. budgeting and will power about current and future expenses/liabilities must be established and maintained.
     
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