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    i would say its more unethical to train someone with multiple DUIs while giving them the impression they'll get a job easy once they have that CDL.
    that being said, i'm sure there are schools that do this all the time.

    I'm also not sure how all the schools are run. i know the one here when i took their seminar on the school said that they require a copy of your MVR BEFORE they sign you up for classes.

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    Yes, schools should require MVRs before training begins. But sadly, there is little oversight on the enrollment process for schools. Its an interesting issue as I am opposed to government involvement, but something needs to be done about this "training people without regard to their qualifications."

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    I would say not a matter of ethics, depending on what a student desires to pull after school the trailers vary. Flats back different than boxes, spreads different than tandems. Doubles and so on, if a school had every trailer to pull they would look like a megga carrier.

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    Right, but my argument is that these so called "schools" are there to offer a career in trucking, yet the students that graduate have no clue how to drive a 10-speed or haul a trailer larger than 28 feet...just seems unethical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paluche View Post
    Yes, schools should require MVRs before training begins. But sadly, there is little oversight on the enrollment process for schools. Its an interesting issue as I am opposed to government involvement, but something needs to be done about this "training people without regard to their qualifications."
    You do realize that there are only so much that schools CAN ask without getting into legal trouble right? Someone shows up with the money and wants a CDL, they should be trained. The schools are not there to screen for the companies.

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    My oppinon is if you can back a 28 footer up with no problems then you can do it with a 48 or 53 foot trailer with no problems!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paluche View Post
    Right, but my argument is that these so called "schools" are there to offer a career in trucking, yet the students that graduate have no clue how to drive a 10-speed or haul a trailer larger than 28 feet...just seems unethical.
    Be honest here, how many transmissions do you have experience with? It has taken me over 20 years to say all manuals including split differentials, it is life of learning and one trip out does not make any of us qualified on one type. I would like to see one student split a duplex with a split differential.

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    it's actually alot easier !!. I can back a '53 around a corner , but a U-Haul attached to my pickup is a real B...H !! lol

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    WvDiesel . it's actually alot easier !!. I can back a '53 around a corner , but a U-Haul attached to my pickup is a real B...H !! lol

    this was supposed to be an edit of above. oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by prometheuss View Post
    unethical yes but if people know what there getting its really up to them isnt?

    a question of National Security #### NO!!! before i get on my "soap box" i would like to say i'm in no way dirtecting this at you as matter of fact i would like to say THANK YOU for your years of service
    ok soap box time......
    Q. What possible reason would someone want to get a CDL without knowing how to drive a big rig
    A. the desperate...... the people who have lost there job and have used there ira/401k to live untill they find another job and when they cant and the money is all but gone where will they look to feed there family and keep there house? thats right !!!! there going to look to get there cdl i mean where else can you earn 75k a year (sarcasm intended) with no education req? sorry but this just hits close to home my bro down in tx did an end around the cdl schools to get his class a so he could go to work for a ready mix co. and eventually he goto the school to get into the oil patch

    he used a ryder truck as did the people on February 26, 1993 no cdl required
    sorry for my rant but when i hear "national security " or "state of emergency" i wonder what one of our elected officials is going to wipe there butt with the bill of rights now
    off my soap box now ... and sorry for getting off topic
     
     
     
    Well your dead wrong if you think there is no threat (Wooly Rhino) is correct. I am currently a dispatcher for the company I work for and we have been visited by Homeland Security, CIA and FBI representatives who have taught us the basics for counter terrorism to be prepared for just such a thing as terrorist hijacking vehicles or placing bombs and other things in vehicles. Not going into details but since we go into Washington DC everyday they come and teach us in management so we can pass it down to the drivers. You would be amazed at how many terrorist attempts they stop every year.

    And just like the drug industry where drug-lords think up new ways to get their drugs to their destination, terrorists are also doing the same thing. Don't think for one second that terrorism in the states is not real because it is. Your next door neighbor could be a terrorist and you wouldn't even know it. Not trying to make you paranoid but it is true.

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